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Microsoft's Aaron Greenberg has launched more 'fighting words' on the PS3 by stating that MS's platform will go as far as to outsell the PS3 for the 'entire generation'. He noted MS will achieve this through a plan to constantly deliver for the whole life-cycle of the console.
<blockquote>"What I can tell you is we remain confident that Xbox 360 will not only outsell PS3 for the full calendar year, but for this entire generation," Greenberg declared, saying that the real "win" will be determined by "consistently delivering" throughout the console's lifespan.
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News Source: <A href="http://news.spong.com/article/19503/Microsoft-Well-Outsell-PS3-for-Entire-Generation" target="_blank">Spong</a>
wrathchild
10-16-2009, 05:53 AM
Only because it will always be cheaper and hackable.
WarriorArmy
10-16-2009, 06:17 AM
....saying hi :P
twoboys
10-16-2009, 07:29 AM
Hmmmm........
......in the US.......possibly; as for total worldwide sales, IMHO I think it's wishfull thinking by M$. Yes, PS3 has started slower than people expected but these two consoles are gonna be around a lot longer than their predecessors were and total head to head world sales will go to $ony when all is said and done.
Which of the two companies make the most profit out of their total sales is a different question altogether however, and currently obviously favours M$.
Just a final point. IF M$ launch a new console in the next 12-18 months and drop 360 as fast as they dropped the origional XBOX (which I still use in my bedroom with XBMC and has never let me down by the way) what will they put into their new box that PS3 has not already got? This is why I think PS3 will top 360 sales when all is said and done.
M$ IMHO have no place to go and nothing to move forward with. Those motion things (NATAL and the $ony wand thing) won't change anything either, Wii has already been there and done that..................motion stuff is old news.
Calcu
10-16-2009, 07:30 AM
why on earth did you post M$'s desperate,paranoid news on the Ps3 section ? also for the record Ps3 has already out sold the xbox360,microsoft counts rrod replacements as sales (which is anything upto 58% of the total number of 360 consoles sold),i've posted a link about this last week.
d33znutzEP
10-16-2009, 07:46 AM
delivering? what will they be delivering?
.... a lack of AAA titles? It took them a whole year to get 1 AAA title that is FORZA 3. Before that it was GEARS 2 and that was way back last year.
So what will they be delivering???..... oh wait... i know... they did say there will be more HALO's for next 6 years since they do have NO games.
DerekD1982
10-16-2009, 08:04 AM
yeah if you count all the times people have had to buy a second console because of rrod. if the ps3 was hackable then it would be a bit different. im not saying that ps3 would be ahead but the margin would be a lot less.
switchg3ar
10-16-2009, 09:09 AM
I don't think anyone would expect Aaron Greenberg to say " Ya I am from microsoft and because sony has some newer revision they will sell more consoles". He has to attack sony like how sony attacks microsoft, that's their business to try and kill the competition. It is similar to how ati released 58xx series and nvidia did a paper release to down play it. It's nothing new, and I don't even know why it's even considered news.
danight
10-16-2009, 09:39 AM
microsoft holds all the cards and sony is in dead last like they have been the entire gen..... sony fans needs to just admit ps3 has been a black eye to the ps brand. They had to scrap change just to be able to do this last price cut... they may not be able to afford another for a couple years, or when this gen is over.
microsoft could drop price more now... hurt ps3 sales.
microsoft could get ready for next gen... and force sony to rush out ps4... xbox 360 has been out for almost a reg entire gen. PS3 has cost sony billions and billions and still struggles to just break even per sale.
GT-RRR
10-16-2009, 10:57 AM
They do know that if the 360 sales were frozen for a year (the time span in which the PS3 was released after the 360), the PS3 would be winning, I've been keeping logs of the worldwide sales on both consoles, and in the past 4-5 weeks already has been quite a difference, the gap is closing my fellow Xbots, be prepared for the sheer humiliation of ALL of you who revelled in the fact that the 360 was "pwning" the Playstation 3, because it won't be for much longer. ;)
beterweter
10-16-2009, 11:12 AM
why on earth did you post M$'s desperate,paranoid news on the Ps3 section ? also for the record Ps3 has already out sold the xbox360,microsoft counts rrod replacements as sales (which is anything upto 58% of the total number of 360 consoles sold),i've posted a link about this last week.
now why on earth dont' you just quote this with one account?
now we all now why nobody takes your links serious:pdo you ever think that there are other people besides yourself (and when your talkintg to yourself all the time)who take you seriously after all your ranting,lying and trollong garbage on this site.
wow:eek:
delivering? what will they be delivering?
.... a lack of AAA titles? It took them a whole year to get 1 AAA title that is FORZA 3. Before that it was GEARS 2 and that was way back last year.
So what will they be delivering???..... oh wait... i know... they did say there will be more HALO's for next 6 years since they do have NO games.
it took over 3 years to get an AAA title called GT5...and its still not ready.
they will be delivering a cheaper more affordable system with a library of top AAA titles that are low priced.
again you seem the only one complaining here that the 360 has NO games:rolleyes:
don't blame halo for everything its not halo's fault you can't master the game...:p
and for the love off god stay on one account;)
They do know that if the 360 sales were frozen for a year (the time span in which the PS3 was released after the 360), the PS3 would be winning, I've been keeping logs of the worldwide sales on both consoles, and in the past 4-5 weeks already has been quite a difference, the gap is closing my fellow Xbots, be prepared for the sheer humiliation of ALL of you who revelled in the fact that the 360 was "pwning" the Playstation 3, because it won't be for much longer. ;)
and the last 4-5 weeks the only real salesnumbers for the ps3 released where the mediacreate numbers from japan,sony saying they sold a million isnt proof they sold a million,they shipped a million after clearing stocks since june for the phat systems...
still aint touching the 360 in gamesales so still not the real winner...
once they do,well good for you,happy happy joy joy,untill then...don't make an ass out of yourselfs.
QrafTee
10-16-2009, 12:24 PM
I don't think anyone would expect Aaron Greenberg to say " Ya I am from microsoft and because sony has some newer revision they will sell more consoles". He has to attack sony like how sony attacks microsoft, that's their business to try and kill the competition. It is similar to how ati released 58xx series and nvidia did a paper release to down play it. It's nothing new, and I don't even know why it's even considered news.No... no you don't have to say anything at all. You don't have to praise the competition nor do you have to berate them. It's all a matter of choice. They're ahead right now and they want to try to keep Sony down and make it seem like they're not even a threat to get customers to not jump in on the PS3 bandwagon.
microsoft could drop price more now... hurt ps3 sales.
microsoft could get ready for next gen... and force sony to rush out ps4... xbox 360 has been out for almost a reg entire gen. PS3 has cost sony billions and billions and still struggles to just break even per sale.
well if they could then why don't they, instead of being all talk? Like Mr.Greenberg here acting green with envy.
*StoneCold*
10-16-2009, 02:33 PM
and the last 4-5 weeks the only real salesnumbers for the ps3 released where the mediacreate numbers from japan,sony saying they sold a million isnt proof they sold a million,they shipped a million after clearing stocks since june for the phat systems...
still aint touching the 360 in gamesales so still not the real winner...
once they do,well good for you,happy happy joy joy,untill then...don't make an ass out of yourselfs.
Just the way the 360 ain't touching the Wii in game sales.
danight
10-16-2009, 02:41 PM
well if they could then why don't they, instead of being all talk? Like Mr.Greenberg here acting green with envy.
because they are making money on the xbox 360 and on live and games. They feel they have the upper hand and dont have to rush to do anything.
say sony took over #1 sales for the next couple months both nintendo and microsoft would play their hand to stop them.
Right now they probably see ps3 as being desperate to even stay in this. Just trying to break even.
Will anyone debate sony is in no place to get in a price war with either nintendo or microsoft.
also microsoft has natel coming... yes sony has its version of wii motes but you also gotta have the camera also. Meaning it will probably cost more like patcher predicted.
Had roles been reversed sony would be saying the same crap. While microsoft may be gloating... sony is famous for spitting out pr crap.
if microsoft said "xbox 720 is coming next year", wii 2 would be coming as well as ps4. Atleast wii and xbox are priced to allow a new console to come out. Sony is releasing a new 250 gig sku with the price going up $50 dollars.
But unless sony can maintain ps3 sales for a period of time... neither nintendo nor microsoft will tip their hand. They both are making money and are happy with the spot they are in.
But everyone knows sony cant get into a price war... so the other 2 are happy to milk it. When will we see a $199 ps3?????
exactly.....
Calcu
10-16-2009, 02:43 PM
it took over 3 years to get an AAA title called GT5
WOW just one AAA title on Ps3 & it's not even out yet ? who told you this ? iggy ? even a half decent xbot knows that you're another blind halo/gayloboy.
also noob stop using tons of smilies all the time its getting annoying & boring now,do you keep on bulling faces when you talk to people in real life ?
what a retard.
kneehighspy
10-16-2009, 03:33 PM
WOW just one AAA title on Ps3 & it's not even out yet ? who told you this ? iggy ? even a half decent xbot knows that you're another blind halo/gayloboy.
also noob stop using tons of smilies all the time its getting annoying & boring now,do you keep on bulling faces when you talk to people in real life ?
what a retard.
it's fine and ok to pick on forum users, but to drag ones child into a childish argument? be nice and leave the child (iggy) out of posts. any sobot knows this is not the right thing to do...
his child didn't ask to be dragged into this fanboy war....
;) :) ;) :) ;) :)
Calcu
10-16-2009, 03:38 PM
it's fine and ok to pick on forum users, but to drag ones child into a childish argument? be nice and leave the child (iggy) out of posts. any sobot knows this is not the right thing to do...
his child didn't ask to be dragged into this fanboy war....
;) :) ;) :) ;) :)
come on you're going over the top with this now,it's not like i insulted his iggy or anything. ;) :) ;) :) ;) :) ;)
wrathchild
10-16-2009, 03:39 PM
Just the way the 360 ain't touching the Wii in game sales.
This is about "real" game consoles. Let's the grown ups talk and go back to playing with your little Wii Wii.
Calcu
10-16-2009, 03:57 PM
This is about "real" game consoles. Let's the grown ups talk and go back to playing with your little Wii Wii.
& this is supposed to be how grown ups talk ?
anyway Wii is currently in no1 spot,i hate it & you hate it but we can't deny it. :)
beterweter
10-16-2009, 05:33 PM
WOW just one AAA title on Ps3 & it's not even out yet ? who told you this ? iggy ? even a half decent xbot knows that you're another blind halo/gayloboy.
also noob stop using tons of smilies all the time its getting annoying & boring now,do you keep on bulling faces when you talk to people in real life ?
what a retard.
hahahaha noob,shure little girl...LOL...
actually that was adressed to the issue where you said that It took them a whole year to get 1 AAA title that is FORZA 3...:Dbut i didnt expect you to undersatnd my answer,its to complicated for you i know...
starting to insult again:p
means i'm getting somewhere.
you know why i use smilies?because all your posts make me LOL.
your fun and are deeply anoyed with me.;)thats whats shown here again...:p
it's fine and ok to pick on forum users, but to drag ones child into a childish argument? be nice and leave the child (iggy) out of posts. any sobot knows this is not the right thing to do...
his child didn't ask to be dragged into this fanboy war....
not insulted by some little girl talk in any way,if she thinks talking about iggi makes me angry,then she's dead wrong...
it make me LOL @ her cuase i drive her into a corner and she can't find any other way...
shows her real age really if she thinks someone is offended by that.
:p:p:p:p:p
Just the way the 360 ain't touching the Wii in game sales.
yep,your right about that
This is about "real" game consoles.
indeed we are...shovelware consoles not allowed...
come on you're going over the top with this now,it's not like i insulted his iggy or anything.
aah those where insults earlier...i must remember to get offended next time...will write that down in my diary.
"get...offended...by...little...crying...girl"
ok ive writtn it down,but i can't make any promisses...:rolleyes:
& this is supposed to be how grown ups talk ?
anyway Wii is currently in no1 spot,i hate it & you hate it but we can't deny it. :)
its a fact.
the wii's only succes is the market softspot,kids and girls(i bet you have a pink edition wii)
with that handful of good games you cant really say that its a core console.
its adressed to a whole different audience...
kneehighspy
10-16-2009, 06:01 PM
hahahaha noob,shure little girl...LOL...
actually that was adressed to the issue where you said that It took them a whole year to get 1 AAA title that is FORZA 3...:Dbut i didnt expect you to undersatnd my answer,its to complicated for you i know...
starting to insult again:p
means i'm getting somewhere.
you know why i use smilies?because all your posts make me LOL.
your fun and are deeply anoyed with me.;)thats whats shown here again...:p
not insulted by some little girl talk in any way,if she thinks talking about iggi makes me angry,then she's dead wrong...
it make me LOL @ her cuase i drive her into a corner and she can't find any other way...
shows her real age really if she thinks someone is offended by that.
:p:p:p:p:p
yep,your right about that
indeed we are...shovelware consoles not allowed...
aah those where insults earlier...i must remember to get offended next time...will write that down in my diary.
"get...offended...by...little...crying...girl"
ok ive writtn it down,but i can't make any promisses...:rolleyes:
its a fact.
the wii's only succes is the market softspot,kids and girls(i bet you have a pink edition wii)
with that handful of good games you cant really say that its a core console.
its adressed to a whole different audience...
i think it's ok that if everyone wants to talk and have fun by picking at one another, but bringing someones child into something like that just isn't right, i guess my being a parent also kicks in sometimes.
but these forums are all in fun and gaming in nature i guess :)
beterweter
10-16-2009, 06:10 PM
i think it's ok that if everyone wants to talk and have fun by picking at one another, but bringing someones child into something like that just isn't right, i guess my being a parent also kicks in sometimes.
but these forums are all in fun and gaming in nature i guess :)
i know it just isnt right,but insults really do me nothing...
;)
its a fact.
the wii's only succes is the market softspot,kids and girls(i bet you have a pink edition wii)
with that handful of good games you cant really say that its a core console.
its adressed to a whole different audience...
come on now. You can say the same about the 360 and halo being targeted at angry teens. I'm a PC gamer at heart, I water cool my PC and over clock to get the very last point out of 3Dmark this doesn't make me more "core" than any other gamer. I can bet that the average demographic is probably kids on the 360 too and the eldest main male demographic on the PS3 does that make the 360 a kids machine and the PS3 more "core"? I enjoy my Wii just as much as anything else. in fact it's the one I enjoy the most with friends, you know, actual real friends who come over. that to me is the definition of a good game.
This generation has become really sad. people start to squabble about who has sold more, then even more sad when it is for second place to the Wii. it' is sad that people squabble about graphics even more so when it is for second place to the PC. People brush these platforms off with anything that comes to mind, demographic or price. people are just trying to prove to themselves "I think I bought the right platform" that's all it becomes at the end.
So I'm with Stonecold and calcu this is for second place why should the wii be dismissed. The wii was mentioned in the actual question from the interviewer even, but I guess it's alot easier for Greenberg to ignore the entity which is beating them by miles and to concentrate on the one they are beating.
not that it's important beterweter but I thought you might want to know that shovelware is just as high on other consoles now
http://www.industrygamers.com/news/the-divnich-debrief-wii-quality-sees-significant-improvement-in-2009/
NakedFaerie
10-16-2009, 08:58 PM
M$ will of course outsell the PS3 as you have to keep replacing it as its faulty. The PS3 is a good unit and you only need to buy one as it works from day one and keeps working.
iLLNESS
10-16-2009, 11:37 PM
& this is supposed to be how grown ups talk ?
anyway Wii is currently in no1 spot,i hate it & you hate it but we can't deny it. :)
im sure you can hahaha. you see things the way you want obviously with your sig...
d33znutzEP
10-17-2009, 12:41 AM
it took over 3 years to get an AAA title called GT5...and its still not ready.
they will be delivering a cheaper more affordable system with a library of top AAA titles that are low priced.
again you seem the only one complaining here that the 360 has NO games:rolleyes:
don't blame halo for everything its not halo's fault you can't master the game...:p
and for the love off god stay on one account;)
Did you even read my post? or that's right... the RROD is clouding your brain...
3 years for a AAA title?
Lets see, since Gears 2 came out how many AAA's exclusives do you have?
Just 1... FORZA 3.
Since the time of Gears 2 launched we have:
Resistance 2
Killzone 2
Infamous
Demon Souls
Uncharted
in the same amount of time you have Just FORZA 3....
Spin my post any way you want, and keep ignoring hard facts... and keep making delusional posts that have nothing to do with my posts.... seems you have got that down to a science lately.
only game i consider aaa off that list is k2.
but demon souls ? come on...
then i'll mention magna carta 2 and ninja blade as aaa too.
taiki
10-17-2009, 05:31 AM
the reality of the situation is, is that the price point was too high and the release date was too late.
If the PS3 debuted at 299/399 and in 2005, this wouldn't even be a discussion.
Also, I wonder if Microsoft is counting repurchases of hardware. 30% failure rate does do a number on the number of resales.
switchg3ar
10-17-2009, 09:17 AM
They're ahead right now and they want to try to keep Sony down and make it seem like they're not even a threat to get customers to not jump in on the PS3 bandwagon.
You are right you don't have to say anything but, it's in Microsofts best interest to be vocal about it. It is an attack to hurt the competition and to gain market share. Microsoft is trying to downplay any success Sony has to convince consumers of their superiority. You are not going to see them praise each other.
At the end of the day they don't care about which console is better, they are just looking at the bottom line. They have shareholder pressure, performance gains they have to meet. It's his job to praise his product other wise he will be fired. This type of news is meaningless.
Neglefarot
10-17-2009, 09:44 AM
What delivery?.....UPS´s SAT delivery?
beterweter
10-17-2009, 11:00 AM
come on now. You can say the same about the 360 and halo being targeted at angry teens. I'm a PC gamer at heart, I water cool my PC and over clock to get the very last point out of 3Dmark this doesn't make me more "core" than any other gamer. I can bet that the average demographic is probably kids on the 360 too and the eldest main male demographic on the PS3 does that make the 360 a kids machine and the PS3 more "core"? I enjoy my Wii just as much as anything else. in fact it's the one I enjoy the most with friends, you know, actual real friends who come over. that to me is the definition of a good game.
the wii is just a kids console and a gimmick most kids want,sold mine little over a year ago becuase of the lack of good games and the dislike for the controller.
most people my age or even under don't like the wii and see it as a kids computer.
a console filled with shovelware and mindless games that isnt projected to bring quality just quantity.
how many WII's do you know that sit in the living room of your friends and family?a lot...
the amount that gets played on a daily basis?
very little...
when i'm with friends whe really don't grab to the wii motes to play wii games,nope we fire up the 360 and shoot each other all day long.
you guys think i hate the PS3?not really...
nope i hate the wii,i still have my ps3 and not my wii for a reason...it has oversaturated the gaming market and gives us nothing really,but a great marketing of "affordable"pheripals and gimmicks that don't get used anymore after a day.
if your idea of fun is sitting with 4 in a room playing mario kart with undecent clunky controls and call it fun,well have a ball but i and many others prefer some quality and desent controls.
the wii is a kids console,they target a whole different audience,the casual gamer who will buy a games that they play once in maybe every 2 weeks.
my actual friends are here actually they come over on a daily basis really,i hope this explains a little to wy i (we) laugh as much.
but me going over to them...well thats kind of hard at the moment to be honest...
and don't see this as an attack to your post...it isnt...this is the way i see it,and alot of others see it to i'm shure...
This generation has become really sad. people start to squabble about who has sold more, then even more sad when it is for second place to the Wii. it' is sad that people squabble about graphics even more so when it is for second place to the PC. People brush these platforms off with anything that comes to mind, demographic or price. people are just trying to prove to themselves "I think I bought the right platform" that's all it becomes at the end.
nice answer and well said,but why not adresss it to the right persons,as i'm only trolling with answers to their ridicilous posts
So I'm with Stonecold and calcu this is for second place why should the wii be dismissed. The wii was mentioned in the actual question from the interviewer even, but I guess it's alot easier for Greenberg to ignore the entity which is beating them by miles and to concentrate on the one they are beating.
not that it's important beterweter but I thought you might want to know that shovelware is just as high on other consoles now
[url]http://www.industrygamers.com/news/the-divnich-debrief-wii-quality-sees-significant-improvement-in-2009/
your link is not really showing me any different things then i read on sites every day...
others saying that games are great in this case eedar...
Did you even read my post? or that's right... the RROD is clouding your brain...
3 years for a AAA title?
Lets see, since Gears 2 came out how many AAA's exclusives do you have?
Just 1... FORZA 3.
Since the time of Gears 2 launched we have:
Resistance 2
Killzone 2
Infamous
Demon Souls
Uncharted
in the same amount of time you have Just FORZA 3....
Spin my post any way you want, and keep ignoring hard facts... and keep making delusional posts that have nothing to do with my posts.... seems you have got that down to a science lately.
LOL@ you for only mentioning AAA titles as ps3 titles:p
as if their are no other games to play,we still have multi platform AAA titles you know...
hard facts are that their are more games out there then exclusives...:rolleyes:
they only seem to matter to you.
you just call them AAA titles becuase they are on PS3 big differnce,since you always list them.
infamous and resistance 2 AAA...LOL...:p
if infamous is an AAA title then crackdown is an AAAAA title...nope infamous just got listed cause its an exclusive...;)
resistance 2...the game that disappeared from anybody's mind within 2 weeks...AAA...right:rolleyes:
demon souls...have to test it yet but seems nothing more then a game like enclave for the orriginal xbox...
KZ2 a game with no decent controlls,no real bosses nothing more then a shooter an AAA title...not really...
not spinning your posts,hard facts are you blindly praise all things playstation and nothing else...:rolleyes:
and again,no dillusinal posts...enjoy double posting and talking to yourself as much as you like little girl...:p
@beterweter
The fact that you don't enjoy the wii is a valid opinion I wasn't trying to suggest that you should enjoy it. I just hate the fact that people dismiss the wii
as a kids toy as if to suggest any other console used for games is not a kids toy. The main demographic of the wii and 360 are both kids. I just hate the fact that people pretend to care about something e.g. sales then when somebody mentions another platform which exceeds it it becomes about something else and why that platform should be excluded. The only message there is "I chose the right platform" and not about the given topic. That's all I was pointing out beterweter, it wasn't directed at you as an attack just a point that came to mind.
because they are making money on the xbox 360 and on live and games. They feel they have the upper hand and dont have to rush to do anything.
say sony took over #1 sales for the next couple months both nintendo and microsoft would play their hand to stop them.
Right now they probably see ps3 as being desperate to even stay in this. Just trying to break even.
Will anyone debate sony is in no place to get in a price war with either nintendo or microsoft.
also microsoft has natel coming... yes sony has its version of wii motes but you also gotta have the camera also. Meaning it will probably cost more like patcher predicted.
Had roles been reversed sony would be saying the same crap. While microsoft may be gloating... sony is famous for spitting out pr crap.
if microsoft said "xbox 720 is coming next year", wii 2 would be coming as well as ps4. Atleast wii and xbox are priced to allow a new console to come out. Sony is releasing a new 250 gig sku with the price going up $50 dollars.
But unless sony can maintain ps3 sales for a period of time... neither nintendo nor microsoft will tip their hand. They both are making money and are happy with the spot they are in.
But everyone knows sony cant get into a price war... so the other 2 are happy to milk it. When will we see a $199 ps3?????
exactly.....
And that's just the thing you would only lower your own prices if the competition was hurting you not vice versa. So if MS lower their price because of sonys price they hurt themselves because if they don't they would hurt even more. They are already in a price war they cut their price to compete on an almost even footing plus you forget that a business is not about who has the lowest price. Price wars have a limit, the PS3 doesn't have to be cheaper than it's competition to outsell it as long as the consumer values the feature of one or the other, that is all it takes. You mention Live as if consumers are blind to the big picture. People may not like the fact they must pay ~$50 a year for online play so a price war is not always just price of entry. As an analogy some businesses buy more expensive printers because they know the ink is cheaper. So those who don't want to pay for online will buy the PS3 because if they plan to play online for 2 years it works out as ~$100 cheaper.
Not sure why you mention natal but I'm willing to wager that the PSEye and a wand combined will cost less or the same as natal. Natal is currently rumoured to cost $100 itself.
you're right, had roles reversed sony probably would have said the same but I'm also quite sure you and others would be more vocal about their "arrogance" too.
unreal maniac
10-18-2009, 09:47 AM
microsoft holds all the cards and sony is in dead last like they have been the entire gen..... sony fans needs to just admit ps3 has been a black eye to the ps brand. They had to scrap change just to be able to do this last price cut... they may not be able to afford another for a couple years, or when this gen is over.
microsoft could drop price more now... hurt ps3 sales.
microsoft could get ready for next gen... and force sony to rush out ps4... xbox 360 has been out for almost a reg entire gen. PS3 has cost sony billions and billions and still struggles to just break even per sale.
im sorry but havent sony been in dead first by a mile for the past 3 generations (5th gen = ps1, 6th gen = ps1, ps2, 7th gen =ps1, ps2 (yes the ps1 did make it to this gen)
yes thats right the ps2 is still on shelves. it is part of this generation even though it is a last gen console
beterweter
10-18-2009, 12:15 PM
@beterweter
The fact that you don't enjoy the wii is a valid opinion I wasn't trying to suggest that you should enjoy it. I just hate the fact that people dismiss the wii
as a kids toy as if to suggest any other console used for games is not a kids toy. The main demographic of the wii and 360 are both kids. I just hate the fact that people pretend to care about something e.g. sales then when somebody mentions another platform which exceeds it it becomes about something else and why that platform should be excluded. The only message there is "I chose the right platform" and not about the given topic. That's all I was pointing out beterweter, it wasn't directed at you as an attack just a point that came to mind.
not taken as an attack and i hope you didnt take mine as an attack,your entitled to have your opinion m8...;)
but i and many others see it differently,as the the PS3 and 360 audience in my believe is older then the wii audience.
the average core gamer age is at 27 years,the PS3 and 360's target is more pointed at a mature audience,i dont see them pushing many kids games as with the wii ,it has 98% kids games in its library with 85% utter crap games.
kids games released on ps3 and 360 are mostly multiplatform games by 3rd party developers that are on the wii too...except the wii has 80% more of those where 60% of the 80% are just more of the same and the innovative gameplay just isnt innovative anymore but boring.
i really believe that the average wii age is more 8 to 15 years,the wii has to little games for the challanging real core gamers.
i really don't think the wii can be compared to the ps3 and xbox in anyway...
at the end of the day its all just our opinions her offcourse...
but like you have a point when you say that the wii is number 1 really(wich i'm really not saying that it isnt)my point was merely here that they are always ranting over the ps3 as the best and the number 1 with all the AAA titles and when all else fails they get the wii in the conversation...
thats just wrong and lame ,we are debating the 2nd place here and we all know it...the wii doesnt come to mind when debating this...
Not sure why you mention natal but I'm willing to wager that the PSEye and a wand combined will cost less or the same as natal. Natal is currently rumoured to cost $100 itself.
but what if you need 2 controllers 1 eye?then ist goingf to get real pricy leave alone you need 4 of them...
for the 2 you need one eye at 39,99€ then 2 wand controllers priced at(lets say just for this 39,99 each for an example,and i think i will be counting cheap)tehn you need to add a 60€ controller to it to as you need them...
your not going to need multiple natals.
you're right, had roles reversed sony probably would have said the same but I'm also quite sure you and others would be more vocal about their "arrogance" too.
indeed.
but what if you need 2 controllers 1 eye?then ist goingf to get real pricy leave alone you need 4 of them...
for the 2 you need one eye at 39,99€ then 2 wand controllers priced at(lets say just for this 39,99 each for an example,and i think i will be counting cheap)tehn you need to add a 60€ controller to it to as you need them...
your not going to need multiple natals.
why would you need to add a 60 euro controller? which controller is even 60 euros?
PSEye is ~30 euros and I predict the wand is at say ~40 since a DS3 is now at ~48.
even with 2 wands it would be cheaper than natal if the predicted price for these things are right.
in Europe it's likely to cost 150 euros for natal. of course these are all assumptions but I predict that even if it was necessary to buy 2 wands and an PSeye it would be cheaper than natal. it's only when you start buying more than 3 additional wands that it's likely to become more expensive.
GrownupLawolf
10-18-2009, 02:08 PM
Hey, you could easily pack that into a RPG-Maker game.
MS attacks with "360 will outsell PS3".
Sony defends with "Exploit Leak which allows CFW".
MS collapses!
beterweter
10-18-2009, 02:53 PM
why would you need to add a 60 euro controller? which controller is even 60 euros?
PSEye is ~30 euros and I predict the wand is at say ~40 since a DS3 is now at ~48.
even with 2 wands it would be cheaper than natal if the predicted price for these things are right.
in Europe it's likely to cost 150 euros for natal. of course these are all assumptions but I predict that even if it was necessary to buy 2 wands and an PSeye it would be cheaper than natal. it's only when you start buying more than 3 additional wands that it's likely to become more expensive.
really?(and i'm really asking this,as controllers are priced at 59€ to 74€ here in belgium)
arent you talking about british pound?
few examples from what we pay in the benelux...
http://www.bartsmit.com/shop/productSearchResult.php?fh_params=fh_eds%3D%25c3%2 59f%26omitxmldecl%3Dyes%26fh_refview%3Dlister%26fh _reffacet%3Dcategories%26fh_refpath%3Dfacet_1%26fh _location%3D%252f%252fbartsmit%252fnl_NL%252fcateg ories%253c%257bbartsmit_4_64__1%257d%252fcategorie s%253c%257bbartsmit_4_64__1_1_74__1%257d%252fcateg ories%253c%257bbartsmit_4_64__1_1_74__1_2_1142__0% 257d
http://www.droomland.be/dreamland/static/gaming/console_playstation-3_80GB_n.shtml
http://www.freerecordshop.be/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/FreeRecordShop-FRS_B2C_BE-Site/nl_BE/-/EUR/ViewFas-Search;pgid=E7maY4VR2MlSR0kcwKAnmypX0000VqEuTn9F?a ction=search&layout=sample1&fh_search=ps3+controller&searchcategory=all&x=0&y=0
http://www.consoleshop.nl/product/55184/sony-dual-shock-3-controller-ps3.html
and if i'm correct you need to have the sixaxis controller to use the analogue for movement like the resident evil 5 demo that was given...
i really don't think natal will be priced at 150€,they just can't do this and they know it,no one would by it,period.
i think it will be at between 75€ and 99€ tops,but we will have to wait and see...not saying your wrong...
really?(and i'm really asking this,as controllers are priced at 59€ to 74€ here in belgium)
arent you talking about british pound?
few examples from what we pay in the benelux...
http://www.bartsmit.com/shop/productSearchResult.php?fh_params=fh_eds%3D%25c3%2 59f%26omitxmldecl%3Dyes%26fh_refview%3Dlister%26fh _reffacet%3Dcategories%26fh_refpath%3Dfacet_1%26fh _location%3D%252f%252fbartsmit%252fnl_NL%252fcateg ories%253c%257bbartsmit_4_64__1%257d%252fcategorie s%253c%257bbartsmit_4_64__1_1_74__1%257d%252fcateg ories%253c%257bbartsmit_4_64__1_1_74__1_2_1142__0% 257d
http://www.droomland.be/dreamland/static/gaming/console_playstation-3_80GB_n.shtml
http://www.freerecordshop.be/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/FreeRecordShop-FRS_B2C_BE-Site/nl_BE/-/EUR/ViewFas-Search;pgid=E7maY4VR2MlSR0kcwKAnmypX0000VqEuTn9F?a ction=search&layout=sample1&fh_search=ps3+controller&searchcategory=all&x=0&y=0
http://www.consoleshop.nl/product/55184/sony-dual-shock-3-controller-ps3.html
and if i'm correct you need to have the sixaxis controller to use the analogue for movement like the resident evil 5 demo that was given...
i really don't think natal will be priced at 150€,they just can't do this and they know it,no one would by it,period.
i think it will be at between 75€ and 99€ tops,but we will have to wait and see...not saying your wrong...
Not pounds euros. those Belgium prices make little sense to me since I was in Berlin and Paris not long ago and their prices were around 48 euros
http://www.amazon.de/PS3-Controller-Dualshock-3-Wireless/dp/B00167U0HY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1255896383&sr=8-1
http://www.amazon.fr/Sony-Computer-Dual-Shock-3/dp/B00167U0HY/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1255896839&sr=8-6
with open trade in the EU and the same currency, I must say I'm rather confused about the prices in Belgium unless you live in a remote area with no large markets. In any case if that is the normal price there then I would guess Natal would cost more there too, it'll be relative so it matters very little.
well if you own a ps3 you have a DS3 anyway that was a replacement for the second wand so that people are not forced to buy a second it'll actually reduce the cost. you won't have to use 2 wands and a DS3 you just don't have enough hands for that so it's either 2 wands or 1 wand and a DS3 (which you likely already have with the PS3).
If they subsidize it (making a loss) then they can offer it for less but that defeats danights point. I truly suspect it to cost that much if it's not subsidized because the xbox vision cam costs 45 and thats just a very basic camera.
kcvfr400
10-18-2009, 03:54 PM
really?(and i'm really asking this,as controllers are priced at 59€ to 74€ here in belgium)
arent you talking about british pound?
few examples from what we pay in the benelux...
http://www.bartsmit.com/shop/productSearchResult.php?fh_params=fh_eds%3D%25c3%2 59f%26omitxmldecl%3Dyes%26fh_refview%3Dlister%26fh _reffacet%3Dcategories%26fh_refpath%3Dfacet_1%26fh _location%3D%252f%252fbartsmit%252fnl_NL%252fcateg ories%253c%257bbartsmit_4_64__1%257d%252fcategorie s%253c%257bbartsmit_4_64__1_1_74__1%257d%252fcateg ories%253c%257bbartsmit_4_64__1_1_74__1_2_1142__0% 257d
http://www.droomland.be/dreamland/static/gaming/console_playstation-3_80GB_n.shtml
http://www.freerecordshop.be/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/FreeRecordShop-FRS_B2C_BE-Site/nl_BE/-/EUR/ViewFas-Search;pgid=E7maY4VR2MlSR0kcwKAnmypX0000VqEuTn9F?a ction=search&layout=sample1&fh_search=ps3+controller&searchcategory=all&x=0&y=0
http://www.consoleshop.nl/product/55184/sony-dual-shock-3-controller-ps3.html
and if i'm correct you need to have the sixaxis controller to use the analogue for movement like the resident evil 5 demo that was given...
i really don't think natal will be priced at 150€,they just can't do this and they know it,no one would by it,period.
i think it will be at between 75€ and 99€ tops,but we will have to wait and see...not saying your wrong...
Can I suggest play.com in future as they do deliver to belgium. And even with added price for euro zone its still only €45.49 delivered for ds3. So maybe you can bypass the shocking prices you still endure that I would have thought the euro zone would have levelled out. I say that as when I used to travel back and forth from Germany we always sailed from Oostende and it was rather pricey back then, late 80s.
On subject (nothing to do with who I quoted) all I hear is the usual American arrogance. Just like E3 this year with all multi platform game showings, all talk and little to offer except natal thats not out until after next E3. There is a good enough foothold for all 3 consoles so who cares who sells more. Though Microsofts make money out of you no matter what is alarming for the end user, though deaf ears on here as people seem willing to pay and pay again. I would rather Microsoft talk about new games that are exclusives as they drive my interest in the xbox brand, which is at the moment not there.
beterweter
10-18-2009, 04:02 PM
Not pounds euros. those Belgium prices make little sense to me since I was in Berlin and Paris not long ago and their prices were around 48 euros
http://www.amazon.de/PS3-Controller-Dualshock-3-Wireless/dp/B00167U0HY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1255896383&sr=8-1
http://www.amazon.fr/Sony-Computer-Dual-Shock-3/dp/B00167U0HY/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1255896839&sr=8-6
with open trade in the EU and the same currency, I must say I'm rather confused about the prices in Belgium unless you live in a remote area with no large markets. In any case if that is the normal price there then I would guess Natal would cost more there too, it'll be relative so it matters very little.
well if you own a ps3 you have a DS3 anyway that was a replacement for the second wand so that people are not forced to buy a second it'll actually reduce the cost. you won't have to use 2 wands and a DS3 you just don't have enough hands for that so it's either 2 wands or 1 wand and a DS3 (which you likely already have with the PS3).
If they subsidize it (making a loss) then they can offer it for less but that defeats danights point. I truly suspect it to cost that much if it's not subsidized because the xbox vision cam costs 45 and thats just a very basic camera.
just bought one 2 weeks ago for 10 € with one month of live,just bought it to have it really especially at this price wouldnt pay 45 for this,that thing just does nothing really
you can check the prices on the controllers,they are for the benelux all priced at these prices. this means belgium netherlands and luxembourg.
they are certainly not local price.
i still have 4 sixaxis controllers btw,as i'm to cheap to buy myself ds3 controllers after purchasing them at 60€ at the start...
wasnt talking about what danight said.
but i'm really talking about the newcomers to the ps3 experience,lets say they want it because of the wand,they buy a console with one controller and i think that about 95% immediatly want to buy it with 2 controllers as they want multiplayer fun as well...(i really think this is a realistic number,and one playing with a wand controller and one just with the ps3 controller...well it wouldnt take long for you to save up and go buy a second one as you want to join the fun)
then the added cost to this is (lets say your controller at 48€ and we seem to think the same about the wand price)would be 48+40+40+40 wich sets you back 168€.
so yeah its not so cheap for us who have our controllers already(altough we did already pay for them in a different timeframe)but it gets expensive for the newcomers to PS3 wand gaming...
seeying how many WII ports are coming you would have to buy extras if you want multiplayer fun as there will shurely be wand exclusives also...
Can I suggest play.com in future as they do deliver to belgium. And even with added price for euro zone its still only €45.49 delivered for ds3. So maybe you can bypass the shocking prices you still endure that I would have thought the euro zone would have levelled out. I say that as when I used to travel back and forth from Germany we always sailed from Oostende and it was rather pricey back then, late 80s.
and how is the delivery service?quick painless and singed for?not just dropped at your door?or do you have a choise?
whats you experience with play?and do you order alot from play?
let me know please.
will take a look at it later...
have you been in the 3 hall arcades in oostende back then?used to go there when i was a kid...spend alot of money there...the good old days...
On subject all I hear is the usual American arrogance. Just like E3 this year with all multi platform game showings, all talk and little to offer except natal thats not out until after next E3. There is a good enough foothold for all 3 consoles so who cares who sells more. Though Microsofts make money out of you no matter what is alarming for the end user, though deaf ears on here as people seem willing to pay and pay again. I would rather Microsoft talk about new games that are exclusives as they drive my interest in the xbox brand, which is at the moment not there.
no offence but the same happend in the 1st 2 years of the PS3...all talk to little to show...
there are enough multiplatform games at the moment to fill the space really.
after all big title releases its just a slow period now,they lauched at the PS3 for over 2 years,so now i guess its the others turn to lauch.
new games will come,they cant' leave it this way,they know that...
you can check the prices on the controllers,they are for the benelux all priced at these prices. this means belgium netherlands and luxembourg.
they are certainly not local price.
i still have 4 sixaxis controllers btw,as i'm to cheap to buy myself ds3 controllers after purchasing them at 60€ at the start...
wasnt talking about what danight said.
but i'm really talking about the newcomers to the ps3 experience,lets say they want it because of the wand,they buy a console with one controller and i think that about 95% immediatly want to buy it with 2 controllers as they want multiplayer fun as well...(i really think this is a realistic number,and one playing with a wand controller and one just with the ps3 controller...well it wouldnt take long for you to save up and go buy a second one as you want to join the fun)
then the added cost to this is (lets say your controller at 48€ and we seem to think the same about the wand price)would be 48+40+40+40 wich sets you back 168€.
so yeah its not so cheap for us who have our controllers already(altough we did already pay for them in a different timeframe)but it gets expensive for the newcomers to PS3 wand gaming...
seeying how many WII ports are coming you would have to buy extras if you want multiplayer fun as there will shurely be wand exclusives also...
and how is the delivery service?quick painless and singed for?not just dropped at your door?or do you have a choise?
whats you experience with play?and do you order alot from play?
let me know please.
will take a look at it later...
have you been in the 3 hall arcades in oostende back then?used to go there when i was a kid...spend alot of money there...the good old days...
That's al right I don't need to check it since I wasn't doubting your price just confused as to why it would cost so much more there than Germany or France when Europe usually is pretty level. If Play.com do deliver to Belgium for 45 euros how do these other shops get away with such high prices. I'd recommend Play.com btw, I buy most of my games from them and the service is good (UK at least don't know about other regions) and occasionally from Amazon when they have the deals so I'd recommend them too. they do operate in Belgium. Free shipping too http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS121409+18-Mar-2009+BW20090318
So I see no reason for people in Belgium to pay more than 48 euros.
Yeah when you start buying for multiple people is when you start paying more ie when you buy 4 or more wands/controllers.
kcvfr400
10-19-2009, 02:16 AM
you can check the prices on the controllers,they are for the benelux all priced at these prices. this means belgium netherlands and luxembourg.
they are certainly not local price.
i still have 4 sixaxis controllers btw,as i'm to cheap to buy myself ds3 controllers after purchasing them at 60€ at the start...
wasnt talking about what danight said.
but i'm really talking about the newcomers to the ps3 experience,lets say they want it because of the wand,they buy a console with one controller and i think that about 95% immediatly want to buy it with 2 controllers as they want multiplayer fun as well...(i really think this is a realistic number,and one playing with a wand controller and one just with the ps3 controller...well it wouldnt take long for you to save up and go buy a second one as you want to join the fun)
then the added cost to this is (lets say your controller at 48€ and we seem to think the same about the wand price)would be 48+40+40+40 wich sets you back 168€.
so yeah its not so cheap for us who have our controllers already(altough we did already pay for them in a different timeframe)but it gets expensive for the newcomers to PS3 wand gaming...
seeying how many WII ports are coming you would have to buy extras if you want multiplayer fun as there will shurely be wand exclusives also...
and how is the delivery service?quick painless and singed for?not just dropped at your door?or do you have a choise?
whats you experience with play?and do you order alot from play?
let me know please.
will take a look at it later...
have you been in the 3 hall arcades in oostende back then?used to go there when i was a kid...spend alot of money there...the good old days...
no offence but the same happend in the 1st 2 years of the PS3...all talk to little to show...
there are enough multiplatform games at the moment to fill the space really.
after all big title releases its just a slow period now,they lauched at the PS3 for over 2 years,so now i guess its the others turn to lauch.
new games will come,they cant' leave it this way,they know that...
Play.com are very quick and reliable from Jersery where they are based to me in Wales and send things bigger than a dvd case as a signed on delivery via courier. They also have great customer services and policies if things go missing in the post.
And yes the ps3 did have to much talk in the first 2 yrs. But it also had a constant stream of exclusives in that time like 2 motorstorms, ratchet and clank, heavenly sword, uncharted, wipeout and so on. It just made the wrong move like Microsoft did about Crackdown with the Halo beta in over shadowing its releases with another not yet ready one. And they made to much of blu-ray.
As much as thats annoying its better than some childish gloating as the headline suggests and using E3 to talk about Beatles rock band thats on your competitions format also and really not talking about much. I was looking to see some secret new ip or 2 and shocked nothing cam as they were giving ground away. But the lack of will for first party games from Microsoft should have shown me already there intention to rely on third party and advertise on tv as if 360 exclusives.
I will take my time next gen before going for a Microsoft product as they seem to lack the will to continue releasing lots of first and second party titles to support. I get the feeling they are penny pinching to claw back the $6 billion they lost on the xbox and the billions they have lost on the 360 launch.
beterweter
10-19-2009, 02:33 AM
That's al right I don't need to check it since I wasn't doubting your price just confused as to why it would cost so much more there than Germany or France when Europe usually is pretty level. If Play.com do deliver to Belgium for 45 euros how do these other shops get away with such high prices. I'd recommend Play.com btw, I buy most of my games from them and the service is good (UK at least don't know about other regions) and occasionally from Amazon when they have the deals so I'd recommend them too. they do operate in Belgium. Free shipping too http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS121409+18-Mar-2009+BW20090318
So I see no reason for people in Belgium to pay more than 48 euros.
Yeah when you start buying for multiple people is when you start paying more ie when you buy 4 or more wands/controllers.
i checked amazon before i always got to the uk site,and i thought it wasnt quite clear on shipping to belgium i didnt really give it a try.
since i order stuff from the uk sometimes (tru ebay)like old consoles, packets of games or as little as my printer ink i know shipping fees can be quite expensive and royal air mail can be unreliable as you need do order it signed for or they just dump it at your front door here...
but i will give play.com a go,prices seem good...
we don't only get fucked with accesory prices here.
games cost 64€ to 74€ here with some exceptions of 59€ in the multiplatform sections...
i go with ebay mostly for tem or discoverychannel.nl has descent gameprices and quick delivery i tend to order from them 2...
Play.com are very quick and reliable from Jersery where they are based to me in Wales and send things bigger than a dvd case as a signed on delivery via courier. They also have great customer services and policies if things go missing in the post.
And yes the ps3 did have to much talk in the first 2 yrs. But it also had a constant stream of exclusives in that time like 2 motorstorms, ratchet and clank, heavenly sword, uncharted, wipeout and so on. It just made the wrong move like Microsoft did about Crackdown with the Halo beta in over shadowing its releases with another not yet ready one. And they made to much of blu-ray.
As much as thats annoying its better than some childish gloating as the headline suggests and using E3 to talk about Beatles rock band thats on your competitions format also and really not talking about much. I was looking to see some secret new ip or 2 and shocked nothing cam as they were giving ground away. But the lack of will for first party games from Microsoft should have shown me already there intention to rely on third party and advertise on tv as if 360 exclusives.
I will take my time next gen before going for a Microsoft product as they seem to lack the will to continue releasing lots of first and second party titles to support. I get the feeling they are penny pinching to claw back the $6 billion they lost on the xbox and the billions they have lost on the 360 launch.
thanks for replying over play.com.
for the rest of your comment,i know but to be honest besides uncharted
the games didnt really deliver much for me and it seems neither did they for others...
(im not bashing here but i'm just going to say whats on my mind,so don't be offended please)
motorstorm was a really overhyped game that really isnt that great,rally and off-road games are my favorite racing games but it just was more irritating then fun.
lair...well...lets not get into that...
untold legends...looked like another ps2 game and played like a psp game,tho i played tru it it just wasnt a next gen title.
haze...lets not go there either...
wipeout is nothing more then a cleaned up hd version of wipout pure.
heavenly sword...please tell me what you liked about that...only went tru the demo to be honest and really didnt feel right combat just aint fun and felt more like a bit more graphical version with added button bashing sequences of untold legends.
ratchet and clank...i think everyone enjoys a game like this now and then,it brings the kid out in us again,but a title you buy if you have a ps3 and not one you buy a ps3 for.
uncharted...descent game but wasnt enough for me,and not ground breaking in anyway,the thing that bugs me the most is its so easy and simple,you can almost play trough the whole game just using your pistol(wich is my weapon of choise in that game,your in headshot heaven with that)
really don't hate the ps3,but the games realesed in the 1st years where really a big letdown.
360 had descent games with a wide veriaty of games...
quake 4
condemned
oblivion
prey
amped 3
chromehounds
perfect dark zero
dead or alive 4
kameo
far cry insticnts predator
dead rising
saints row
pj gotham racing
ninety nine nights
and these are only the descent games i liked at the time...
i honestly think that we will see a new xbox in 2012 and why everything is getting slower at the moment.don't get me wrong,they are not dumping the xbox360 as they dumped the orriginal xbox.
i hope forward compatibility will work well,and i have no doubt it will be fully backwards(and if it works well foraward) compatible.
and i am looking forward to it aswell...like i look forward to every console that gets released and its in my living room from the 1st day no mater what the brand is.
lets not forget they are having a whole new start with natal as well with a totally new harware and totaly new use for new games and they will want there newer games to be compatible with it asd well,so yeah things will go a little slow at the moment as i really think there focus is at other things now.
the 360 isnt in a bad position now and there's 3rd party support enough at the moment...
again,don't be offended by my post it isnt my intention to do so...
i checked amazon before i always got to the uk site,and i thought it wasnt quite clear on shipping to belgium i didnt really give it a try.
since i order stuff from the uk sometimes (tru ebay)like old consoles, packets of games or as little as my printer ink i know shipping fees can be quite expensive and royal air mail can be unreliable as you need do order it signed for or they just dump it at your front door here...
but i will give play.com a go,prices seem good...
we don't only get fucked with accesory prices here.
games cost 64€ to 74€ here with some exceptions of 59€ in the multiplatform sections...
i go with ebay mostly for tem or discoverychannel.nl has descent gameprices and quick delivery i tend to order from them 2...
thanks for replying over play.com.
for the rest of your comment,i know but to be honest besides uncharted
the games didnt really deliver much for me and it seems neither did they for others...
(im not bashing here but i'm just going to say whats on my mind,so don't be offended please)
motorstorm was a really overhyped game that really isnt that great,rally and off-road games are my favorite racing games but it just was more irritating then fun.
lair...well...lets not get into that...
untold legends...looked like another ps2 game and played like a psp game,tho i played tru it it just wasnt a next gen title.
haze...lets not go there either...
wipeout is nothing more then a cleaned up hd version of wipout pure.
heavenly sword...please tell me what you liked about that...only went tru the demo to be honest and really didnt feel right combat just aint fun and felt more like a bit more graphical version with added button bashing sequences of untold legends.
ratchet and clank...i think everyone enjoys a game like this now and then,it brings the kid out in us again,but a title you buy if you have a ps3 and not one you buy a ps3 for.
uncharted...descent game but wasnt enough for me,and not ground breaking in anyway,the thing that bugs me the most is its so easy and simple,you can almost play trough the whole game just using your pistol(wich is my weapon of choise in that game,your in headshot heaven with that)
really don't hate the ps3,but the games realesed in the 1st years where really a big letdown.
360 had descent games with a wide veriaty of games...
quake 4
condemned
oblivion
prey
amped 3
chromehounds
perfect dark zero
dead or alive 4
kameo
far cry insticnts predator
dead rising
saints row
pj gotham racing
ninety nine nights
and these are only the descent games i liked at the time...
i honestly think that we will see a new xbox in 2012 and why everything is getting slower at the moment.don't get me wrong,they are not dumping the xbox360 as they dumped the orriginal xbox.
i hope forward compatibility will work well,and i have no doubt it will be fully backwards(and if it works well foraward) compatible.
and i am looking forward to it aswell...like i look forward to every console that gets released and its in my living room from the 1st day no mater what the brand is.
lets not forget they are having a whole new start with natal as well with a totally new harware and totaly new use for new games and they will want there newer games to be compatible with it asd well,so yeah things will go a little slow at the moment as i really think there focus is at other things now.
the 360 isnt in a bad position now and there's 3rd party support enough at the moment...
again,don't be offended by my post it isnt my intention to do so...
right I'm just going to say what's on my mind aswell and that is to tell you to come off it will you. You sound like a sales pitch trying to plug in games that did not get good rating, who mentioned HAZE,untold legend or lair? You say generic things like "this game plays like that game", "uncharted; this game wasn't groundbreaking","Wipeout; that is just a HD version","not next gen". Yet you have the audacity to mention Far Cry instincts predator. If you don't think that Farcry:instincts predator is a HD remake of an original xbox game which was itself a remake of an older PC game what do you think it is? What was groundbreaking about Farcry:instincts predator, DOA or PGR. What is even more strange is that you say games released in the 1st year were a big letdown then go on to mention a multiplatform game like Oblivion which released only 4months after the PS3 released. Now I know the fact that you didn't like those games is your opinion (your opinion, not others like you say) but the reasons for not liking them are the strangest most hypocritical things I have ever heard.
I also find it extremely hypocritical of people who said the PS3 had no games or was a disappointment in it's early years ignored the good multiplatform games back then and concentrated on the exclusive library that MS had a year to build now that the tables have turned and Sony are pumping out the exclusive IPs, multiplatform games are relevant again.
(last bit not directed to quoted btw)
beterweter
10-19-2009, 02:58 PM
right I'm just going to say what's on my mind aswell and that is to tell you to come off it will you. You sound like a sales pitch trying to plug in games that did not get good rating, who mentioned HAZE,untold legend or lair? You say generic things like "this game plays like that game", "uncharted; this game wasn't groundbreaking","Wipeout; that is just a HD version","not next gen". Yet you have the audacity to mention Far Cry instincts predator. If you don't think that Farcry:instincts predator is a HD remake of an original xbox game which was itself a remake of an older PC game what do you think it is? What was groundbreaking about Farcry:instincts predator, DOA or PGR. What is even more strange is that you say games released in the 1st year were a big letdown then go on to mention a multiplatform game like Oblivion which released only 4months after the PS3 released. Now I know the fact that you didn't like those games is your opinion (your opinion, not others like you say) but the reasons for not liking them are the strangest most hypocritical things I have ever heard.
I also find it extremely hypocritical of people who said the PS3 had no games or was a disappointment in it's early years ignored the good multiplatform games back then and concentrated on the exclusive library that MS had a year to build now that the tables have turned and Sony are pumping out the exclusive IPs, multiplatform games are relevant again.
(last bit not directed to quoted btw)
who mentioned HAZE,untold legend or lair?
wow chill,he quoted his opinion and i quoted mine thats all...why the hell do you have to be deffensive about that?
this is what i'm talking about and what always seems to happen with you.
why not just ask me in a mormal way?
he said,
And yes the ps3 did have to much talk in the first 2 yrs. But it also had a constant stream of exclusives in that time like 2 motorstorms, ratchet and clank, heavenly sword, uncharted, wipeout and so on.
you see the"and so on" at the end?so i added a few other relevant exclusive titles to my point,thats all.
then you add better games to the 1st 2 years exclusives list...
yes my opinion and i'm shure i share the same opinion with alot of others,your telling me that i'm the only one thinking this or what?
these are forums where i thought you could speak your mind ?and i did quite frankly bring it in a normal way...
yes uncharted wasnt groundbreaking everything in that game was already done in other games,whats groundbreaking then?going upstream with a jetski?cutscenes?swinging ropes?...
far cry instinct predator was a remake of evolution and instinct btw,it was more then just a grahically enhanced game,and with other added options,but ok i might have been wrong about adding it...but i enjoyed it.
What is even more strange is that you say games released in the 1st year were a big letdown then go on to mention a multiplatform game like Oblivion which released only 4months after the PS3 released.
please read again,1st 2 years is said...
oblivion was pc and 360 exclusive the 1st year it was later added to the ps3 resulting,as in we played it 1st just like we played bioshock a year before...
they where old games when released on the PS3.
DOA was the best looking fighting game that ive seen back then,it where groudbraking graphix that the 360 easily pumped out at that time,jou could just enjoy plaing it for the beauty of it really...
you realy can't say it wasnt there was nothing like it really...
same goes with PGR it was beautifull and feels just right to play,now it is well past but back then it was...awesome!and a very desent racer btw.
Now I know the fact that you didn't like those games is your opinion (your opinion, not others like you say) but the reasons for not liking them are the strangest most hypocritical things I have ever heard.
your calling me hypocritical?yet your here attacking me for having my opinion,and saying i'm the only one who has this opinion...
i think not,i'm shure many others share my opinion as others share your opinion,thats why these forums are here,so chill out.
there was really no reason for you to barg in like that.
idon't need to come off it...was never on it...
are we only allowed to talk about things the way you see it or like it?
you can just ask me and i will reply to you,you know that.
and again i thank you for the input for play.com and amazon.de
I also find it extremely hypocritical of people who said the PS3 had no games or was a disappointment in it's early years ignored the good multiplatform games back then and concentrated on the exclusive library that MS had a year to build now that the tables have turned and Sony are pumping out the exclusive IPs, multiplatform games are relevant again.
now ask yourself again and read the forum again and see who started naming the exclusives only and ignoring the good multiplatform games saying it had a constant stream of good exclusives and so on...
ps3 had little 3rd party support the 1st 2 years...
but seeing as that wasnt adressed to my quote i will leave it at this.
like i said ps3 had a slow start 360 started better and now like you said the tables have turned,not denying that jus saying there is going to be alot of change in the next year to the 360 with natal at the doorstep,they cant' just patch and make them all compatible...
DanASBO
10-19-2009, 04:25 PM
"snip"
Dude, give up. You may have noticed certain people love to defend certain consoles... and you're fast becoming one of them. Let them spout pointless drivel while you live in the knowledge that you're not a blind tool. There are people here that you can have an actual conversation with.. well there's grape and kneehigh...
kcvfr400
10-19-2009, 04:53 PM
i checked amazon before i always got to the uk site,and i thought it wasnt quite clear on shipping to belgium i didnt really give it a try.
since i order stuff from the uk sometimes (tru ebay)like old consoles, packets of games or as little as my printer ink i know shipping fees can be quite expensive and royal air mail can be unreliable as you need do order it signed for or they just dump it at your front door here...
but i will give play.com a go,prices seem good...
we don't only get fucked with accesory prices here.
games cost 64€ to 74€ here with some exceptions of 59€ in the multiplatform sections...
i go with ebay mostly for tem or discoverychannel.nl has descent gameprices and quick delivery i tend to order from them 2...
thanks for replying over play.com.
for the rest of your comment,i know but to be honest besides uncharted
the games didnt really deliver much for me and it seems neither did they for others...
(im not bashing here but i'm just going to say whats on my mind,so don't be offended please)
motorstorm was a really overhyped game that really isnt that great,rally and off-road games are my favorite racing games but it just was more irritating then fun.
lair...well...lets not get into that...
untold legends...looked like another ps2 game and played like a psp game,tho i played tru it it just wasnt a next gen title.
haze...lets not go there either...
wipeout is nothing more then a cleaned up hd version of wipout pure.
heavenly sword...please tell me what you liked about that...only went tru the demo to be honest and really didnt feel right combat just aint fun and felt more like a bit more graphical version with added button bashing sequences of untold legends.
ratchet and clank...i think everyone enjoys a game like this now and then,it brings the kid out in us again,but a title you buy if you have a ps3 and not one you buy a ps3 for.
uncharted...descent game but wasnt enough for me,and not ground breaking in anyway,the thing that bugs me the most is its so easy and simple,you can almost play trough the whole game just using your pistol(wich is my weapon of choise in that game,your in headshot heaven with that)
really don't hate the ps3,but the games realesed in the 1st years where really a big letdown.
360 had descent games with a wide veriaty of games...
quake 4
condemned
oblivion
prey
amped 3
chromehounds
perfect dark zero
dead or alive 4
kameo
far cry insticnts predator
dead rising
saints row
pj gotham racing
ninety nine nights
and these are only the descent games i liked at the time...
i honestly think that we will see a new xbox in 2012 and why everything is getting slower at the moment.don't get me wrong,they are not dumping the xbox360 as they dumped the orriginal xbox.
i hope forward compatibility will work well,and i have no doubt it will be fully backwards(and if it works well foraward) compatible.
and i am looking forward to it aswell...like i look forward to every console that gets released and its in my living room from the 1st day no mater what the brand is.
lets not forget they are having a whole new start with natal as well with a totally new harware and totaly new use for new games and they will want there newer games to be compatible with it asd well,so yeah things will go a little slow at the moment as i really think there focus is at other things now.
the 360 isnt in a bad position now and there's 3rd party support enough at the moment...
again,don't be offended by my post it isnt my intention to do so...
Seems your twisting yet again as I did not mention haze or Lair. I could mention the fact that alot of those so called decent 360 games have bad metacritic scores and the ps3 games you dislike that I mentioned have higher. There was and still is alot of poor games on the 360 like just cause that was a ps2 upgrade really. So its common to all consoles to have filler. I looked at the launch 360 games and only pgr 3 stands out as decent title. I have amped 3 and it is the worst snow boarding game I have ever played and yes I have played shaun whites before you ask lol.
I am not interested in debating it further as simply I find you taste in games too different to my own to see any point carrying it on. Plus I find you difficult to chat too as you like one sided debates. I comfotable enough in my skin not to care or get worked up by random online chat which seems to get under your skin. So Nos da is all I will say.
beterweter
10-19-2009, 07:02 PM
Seems your twisting yet again as I did not mention haze or Lair. I could mention the fact that alot of those so called decent 360 games have bad metacritic scores and the ps3 games you dislike that I mentioned have higher. There was and still is alot of poor games on the 360 like just cause that was a ps2 upgrade really. So its common to all consoles to have filler. I looked at the launch 360 games and only pgr 3 stands out as decent title. I have amped 3 and it is the worst snow boarding game I have ever played and yes I have played shaun whites before you ask lol.
I am not interested in debating it further as simply I find you taste in games too different to my own to see any point carrying it on. Plus I find you difficult to chat too as you like one sided debates. I comfotable enough in my skin not to care or get worked up by random online chat which seems to get under your skin. So Nos da is all I will say.
not twisting,where am i twisting?
But it also had a constant stream of exclusives in that time like 2 motorstorms, ratchet and clank, heavenly sword, uncharted, wipeout and so on.
listen to me very carefully i should say this only once...,
i didnt say you mentioned haze or lair i added haze and lair i even said so,
you see the"and so on" at the end?so i added a few other relevant exclusive titles to my point,thats all.
now who's twisting?you werent really specific and you generaly mentioned exclusives so i added other examples of other bad exclusives.
i even "forgot" to mention gears of war and halo 3 (yes they where realeased in the 1st 2 years)on purpose so we wouldnt have to go tru that,but halo and why gears stuff...
sorry sir but i really need to lol@ you right now for taking in account those metacritic scores.
they are really based on a very small number of users really,with maximum of 450 votes for uncharted on how many million sales?2,6 million
you have looked at the launch titles,meanig you havent played them...lol...
now we are back at the start where we need to trow around with salesnumbers,but i'm pretty shure we have millions of dumb people who buy 360 games without knowing if there good.
so i have one sided debates now as you only talk about the same over and over,completely trowing away what i say over and over again...telling me i'm stuborn and narrowminded in a way...mmmkay...
Dude, give up. You may have noticed certain people love to defend certain consoles... and you're fast becoming one of them. Let them spout pointless drivel while you live in the knowledge that you're not a blind tool. There are people here that you can have an actual conversation with.. well there's grape and kneehigh...
your probably right
wow chill,he quoted his opinion and i quoted mine thats all...why the hell do you have to be deffensive about that?
this is what i'm talking about and what always seems to happen with you.
why not just ask me in a mormal way?
he said,
you see the"and so on" at the end?so i added a few other relevant exclusive titles to my point,thats all.
then you add better games to the 1st 2 years exclusives list...
yes my opinion and i'm shure i share the same opinion with alot of others,your telling me that i'm the only one thinking this or what?
these are forums where i thought you could speak your mind ?and i did quite frankly bring it in a normal way...
yes uncharted wasnt groundbreaking everything in that game was already done in other games,whats groundbreaking then?going upstream with a jetski?cutscenes?swinging ropes?...
far cry instinct predator was a remake of evolution and instinct btw,it was more then just a grahically enhanced game,and with other added options,but ok i might have been wrong about adding it...but i enjoyed it.
please read again,1st 2 years is said...
oblivion was pc and 360 exclusive the 1st year it was later added to the ps3 resulting,as in we played it 1st just like we played bioshock a year before...
they where old games when released on the PS3.
DOA was the best looking fighting game that ive seen back then,it where groudbraking graphix that the 360 easily pumped out at that time,jou could just enjoy plaing it for the beauty of it really...
you realy can't say it wasnt there was nothing like it really...
same goes with PGR it was beautifull and feels just right to play,now it is well past but back then it was...awesome!and a very desent racer btw.
your calling me hypocritical?yet your here attacking me for having my opinion,and saying i'm the only one who has this opinion...
i think not,i'm shure many others share my opinion as others share your opinion,thats why these forums are here,so chill out.
there was really no reason for you to barg in like that.
idon't need to come off it...was never on it...
are we only allowed to talk about things the way you see it or like it?
you can just ask me and i will reply to you,you know that.
and again i thank you for the input for play.com and amazon.de
now ask yourself again and read the forum again and see who started naming the exclusives only and ignoring the good multiplatform games saying it had a constant stream of good exclusives and so on...
ps3 had little 3rd party support the 1st 2 years...
but seeing as that wasnt adressed to my quote i will leave it at this.
like i said ps3 had a slow start 360 started better and now like you said the tables have turned,not denying that jus saying there is going to be alot of change in the next year to the 360 with natal at the doorstep,they cant' just patch and make them all compatible...
I am chilled, I don't know where you got the impression I'm not. perhaps the wording was harsh but I didn't attack your opinion I questioned your hypocritical reasoning which is altogether different. I don't think you understand what hypocritical means, the reasons you gave for NOT liking a game were right there in the 360 games you mentioned as liking. Surely if that is the most compelling reason you can come up with for why a given game is not good, it should apply to your own list too.
Now you are giving generic reasons why those games where good in your eyes. You mention DOA is groundbreaking for its graphics, yet Uncharted doesn't deserve the same praise. A game doesn't even have to be groundbreaking to be enjoyable but I see nothing groundbreaking in that list either.
Now again, don't say I attacked your opinion. you enjoy those games for reasons you cannot put into words and that's fine; but the reasons you gave for not enjoying the games on your other list are hypocritical and, if I were being frank, asinine. That is why I told you to come off it.
now before I enter another long debate I'm going to say good night too.
grapeape
10-19-2009, 07:31 PM
Why dont you both do the board a favor and put each other on ignore? It seems every time the two of you are in the same thread it ends up being multiple pages of you two posting back and forth in what eventually decends into namecalling in a monty python esque "yes you did...no you didnt" diatribe, you both argue in circles...frankly it would be better left to private messages. Neither of you bend or compromise...good for you for sticking to your beliefs how ever petty they are but seriously ya'll kill a thread faster than anyone on here so why not call a truce?
kneehighspy
10-19-2009, 08:06 PM
Why dont you both do the board a favor and put each other on ignore? It seems every time the two of you are in the same thread it ends up being multiple pages of you two posting back and forth in what eventually decends into namecalling in a monty python esque "yes you did...no you didnt" diatribe, you both argue in circles...frankly it would be better left to private messages. Neither of you bend or compromise...good for you for sticking to your beliefs how ever petty they are but seriously ya'll kill a thread faster than anyone on here so why not call a truce?
i have to admit, they do keep the thread(s) interesting. but as you mentioned, they both start off negatively towards one another, then they slowly start to meet in the middle, then right before there is agreement (in the middle), they quickly end up back where they started, negative towards each other.
kind of like a tv sitcom, you start off uninterested, then really get interested towards the middle, then at the end you're left bitter and wondering why you watched the whole program.
i'm not being negative towards either of them, i do respect each one and their respective opinions, again that's what the forums are for.
i have to admit, they do keep the thread(s) interesting. but as you mentioned, they both start off negatively towards one another, then they slowly start to meet in the middle, then right before there is agreement (in the middle), they quickly end up back where they started, negative towards each other.
kind of like a tv sitcom, you start off uninterested, then really get interested towards the middle, then at the end you're left bitter and wondering why you watched the whole program.
i'm not being negative towards either of them, i do respect each one and their respective opinions, again that's what the forums are for.
Does that make me a celebrity.
Thanks kneehigh spy I respect you too.
Why dont you both do the board a favor and put each other on ignore? It seems every time the two of you are in the same thread it ends up being multiple pages of you two posting back and forth in what eventually decends into namecalling in a monty python esque "yes you did...no you didnt" diatribe, you both argue in circles...frankly it would be better left to private messages. Neither of you bend or compromise...good for you for sticking to your beliefs how ever petty they are but seriously ya'll kill a thread faster than anyone on here so why not call a truce?
My apologies grapeape, I do often try to stop posting replies but end up posting anyway.
d33znutzEP
10-19-2009, 08:57 PM
Cue and Beterweter have no lives, posting essay as posts...
Beterweter has to have the last word like a female on a period, so let him have it, at least you know you still have a sack.
kcvfr400
10-20-2009, 02:29 AM
not twisting,where am i twisting?
listen to me very carefully i should say this only once...,
i didnt say you mentioned haze or lair i added haze and lair i even said so,
now who's twisting?you werent really specific and you generaly mentioned exclusives so i added other examples of other bad exclusives.
i even "forgot" to mention gears of war and halo 3 (yes they where realeased in the 1st 2 years)on purpose so we wouldnt have to go tru that,but halo and why gears stuff...
sorry sir but i really need to lol@ you right now for taking in account those metacritic scores.
they are really based on a very small number of users really,with maximum of 450 votes for uncharted on how many million sales?2,6 million
you have looked at the launch titles,meanig you havent played them...lol...
now we are back at the start where we need to trow around with salesnumbers,but i'm pretty shure we have millions of dumb people who buy 360 games without knowing if there good.
so i have one sided debates now as you only talk about the same over and over,completely trowing away what i say over and over again...telling me i'm stuborn and narrowminded in a way...mmmkay...
your probably right
To you it might say I have never played those games but also it might say I just never looked at anything around the 360 launch as I wasn't interested in it at the time which is true. I got my 360 in feburary 2007 so long after launch. I have played most of those titles either retail or demo and they were rubbish to be honest except pgr 3. But I avoided saying they were rubbish as each has their own tastes where as you berated my choice of ps3 games even though the metacritic scores are higher and then just turn around and slate metacritic thats hypocritical. Perhaps the official xbox magazine scores or your sources are more too your liking but I find a few sources that are more critical than suck up to be better for opinions such as gamescentral, gamesradar and then meatacritic for a multi source based scoring.
beterweter
10-20-2009, 03:41 AM
To you it might say I have never played those games but also it might say I just never looked at anything around the 360 launch as I wasn't interested in it at the time which is true. I got my 360 in feburary 2007 so long after launch. I have played most of those titles either retail or demo and they were rubbish to be honest except pgr 3. But I avoided saying they were rubbish as each has their own tastes where as you berated my choice of ps3 games even though the metacritic scores are higher and then just turn around and slate metacritic thats hypocritical. Perhaps the official xbox magazine scores or your sources are more too your liking but I find a few sources that are more critical than suck up to be better for opinions such as gamescentral, gamesradar and then meatacritic for a multi source based scoring.
you can go by your metacritic score as much as you like,but they are only based on a few hundred votes compared to millions sold.
i don't buy official magazines and the one i liked best in the past isnt here anymore...electronic gaming monthly.now you must know why they arent here anymore right...
i also read edge,and gamepro alot in the dark ages,you know the times when reviuews where honest...
when reading official magazines or at official sites,you could just wear eyepatches for all i know.
gamescentral?what does it have to do with consolegaming btw?
Why dont you both do the board a favor and put each other on ignore? It seems every time the two of you are in the same thread it ends up being multiple pages of you two posting back and forth in what eventually decends into namecalling in a monty python esque "yes you did...no you didnt" diatribe, you both argue in circles...frankly it would be better left to private messages. Neither of you bend or compromise...good for you for sticking to your beliefs how ever petty they are but seriously ya'll kill a thread faster than anyone on here so why not call a truce?
well i tried didnt i?they just feel the need to barg in so where here yet again...
i have to admit, they do keep the thread(s) interesting. but as you mentioned, they both start off negatively towards one another, then they slowly start to meet in the middle, then right before there is agreement (in the middle), they quickly end up back where they started, negative towards each other.
kind of like a tv sitcom, you start off uninterested, then really get interested towards the middle, then at the end you're left bitter and wondering why you watched the whole program.
i'm not being negative towards either of them, i do respect each one and their respective opinions, again that's what the forums are for.
thank you in a way...:p
I am chilled, I don't know where you got the impression I'm not. perhaps the wording was harsh but I didn't attack your opinion I questioned your hypocritical reasoning which is altogether different. I don't think you understand what hypocritical means, the reasons you gave for NOT liking a game were right there in the 360 games you mentioned as liking. Surely if that is the most compelling reason you can come up with for why a given game is not good, it should apply to your own list too.
Now you are giving generic reasons why those games where good in your eyes. You mention DOA is groundbreaking for its graphics, yet Uncharted doesn't deserve the same praise. A game doesn't even have to be groundbreaking to be enjoyable but I see nothing groundbreaking in that list either.
Now again, don't say I attacked your opinion. you enjoy those games for reasons you cannot put into words and that's fine; but the reasons you gave for not enjoying the games on your other list are hypocritical and, if I were being frank, asinine. That is why I told you to come off it.
now before I enter another long debate I'm going to say good night too.
just let me have my opinion for a change and don't come barging in on any tread i'm at.
there was really no need for you to tell me to come off it and certainly not that i sound like a sales pitch,when this wasnt adressed to you and i was just starting a conversation,wich he didnt take as well either...
Cue and Beterweter have no lives, posting essay as posts...
Beterweter has to have the last word like a female on a period, so let him have it, at least you know you still have a sack.
but we do bring up valid points and both take the effort stand for our believes,you just swtich profiles all the time,talk to yourself and just try to break everything thats microsoft related down with empty points and lies...:p
with this post alone you show your calcu as well again.
you have got to get new material little girl,your using is cross-accounts...:p
now talking to yourself and giving yourself credit,now thats lame...
@ d33znuts
I don't know which essay you handed in with 15 lines but I'm sure your teacher was not happy.
This is why it becomes monty python-esque grape, because whenever a valid point is made its somehow an attack on opinion. so you get the usual "no I didn't" and the following "yes you did". yes ignoring it is the easiest option to end a thread but then I sometimes think what is the point of the thread then.
And pointing out the hypocrisy wasn't about defending some petty belief it's just pointing out someone's hypocrisy. the belief that millions sold makes it better; it's as if he wasn't just talking about how much the Wii sucks. Wii Fit is greatest game of all time AMIRIGHT.
kcvfr400
10-20-2009, 09:48 AM
you can go by your metacritic score as much as you like,but they are only based on a few hundred votes compared to millions sold.
i don't buy official magazines and the one i liked best in the past isnt here anymore...electronic gaming monthly.now you must know why they arent here anymore right...
i also read edge,and gamepro alot in the dark ages,you know the times when reviuews where honest...
when reading official magazines or at official sites,you could just wear eyepatches for all i know.
gamescentral?what does it have to do with consolegaming btw? .
Thats gamecentral the games reviewer that deals with pretty much only console games with the odd pc so plenty to do with console gaming.
And edge you cannot be serious they have given some overhyped games really silly high scores after pointing out lots of bad points and given decent games low scores for trivial things. They have good articles but have never been a reliable source of review since they started all those years back in I think it was 1993. I do like edge when they are tough for the right reasons but then flick the page and they give a score to something mediocre that then makes you think twice about how unbalanced they are.
beterweter
10-20-2009, 12:53 PM
@ d33znuts
I don't know which essay you handed in with 15 lines but I'm sure your teacher was not happy.
This is why it becomes monty python-esque grape, because whenever a valid point is made its somehow an attack on opinion. so you get the usual "no I didn't" and the following "yes you did". yes ignoring it is the easiest option to end a thread but then I sometimes think what is the point of the thread then.
And pointing out the hypocrisy wasn't about defending some petty belief it's just pointing out someone's hypocrisy. the belief that millions sold makes it better; it's as if he wasn't just talking about how much the Wii sucks. Wii Fit is greatest game of all time AMIRIGHT.
@you for talking to deez about me to avoid contact as i like it better to say it to someone's face rather then adding friends to start a conversation about someone else.
your saying here that millions sold doesnt mean they are good games and those persons liking it or disliking it arent intitled to have there opinion as you say those games are good or as 400 says that he relys on metacritic scores as they are right...
hypocrisy...nice music btw...
Thats gamecentral the games reviewer that deals with pretty much only console games with the odd pc so plenty to do with console gaming.
And edge you cannot be serious they have given some overhyped games really silly high scores after pointing out lots of bad points and given decent games low scores for trivial things. They have good articles but have never been a reliable source of review since they started all those years back in I think it was 1993. I do like edge when they are tough for the right reasons but then flick the page and they give a score to something mediocre that then makes you think twice about how unbalanced they are.
you should check your source,cause EGM2 wasnt edge...
egm2 has always been strait up and i had to buy it import,you can call it 1up now as they stopped making magezines some time ago.
they where always strait forward on there comments resulting in nintendo and sony treatend not to let them do revieuws anymore.
now there just like the rest...
kcvfr400
10-20-2009, 03:56 PM
@you for talking to deez about me to avoid contact as i like it better to say it to someone's face rather then adding friends to start a conversation about someone else.
your saying here that millions sold doesnt mean they are good games and those persons liking it or disliking it arent intitled to have there opinion as you say those games are good or as 400 says that he relys on metacritic scores as they are right...
hypocrisy...nice music btw...
you should check your source,cause EGM2 wasnt edge...
egm2 has always been strait up and i had to buy it import,you can call it 1up now as they stopped making magezines some time ago.
they where always strait forward on there comments resulting in nintendo and sony treatend not to let them do revieuws anymore.
now there just like the rest...
When did I say egm2 was edge? Let me answer for you, I didn't. I know its not your first language and obviously can accept some language issues but making things up I never said is just a little too far. I mentioned edge because you did and at no point have I talked about egm2.
DanASBO
10-20-2009, 05:03 PM
"snip"
I was right :p and on a side-note; you should really take that out of your sig, we know he's a tool. :)
beterweter
10-21-2009, 12:06 PM
When did I say egm2 was edge? Let me answer for you, I didn't. I know its not your first language and obviously can accept some language issues but making things up I never said is just a little too far. I mentioned edge because you did and at no point have I talked about egm2.
wow man sorry bout that,i had egm2 in my head and i somehow put edge in my post...this was my mistake...
kcvfr400
10-21-2009, 02:59 PM
wow man sorry bout that,i had egm2 in my head and i somehow put edge in my post...this was my mistake...
Thats ok I probably was a little sterner than I needed to be but thats what happens when I just finish heavy weights lol.
beterweter
10-21-2009, 04:00 PM
Thats ok I probably was a little sterner than I needed to be but thats what happens when I just finish heavy weights lol.
no problemo...
Im_or_talK_ill
10-21-2009, 09:54 PM
constant delivery? MS havn't made a good game in years.
beterweter
10-22-2009, 05:46 AM
constant delivery? MS havn't made a good game in years.
wow,jour real hard to pick out of the crowd...
new material please or do you think people won't notice as you talk abit about other stuff...
by nancy
lol I decided to ignore you but this is just too good to miss.
here is a guy who berated wii games and the wii as a whole "shovelware consoles not allowed" in your imaginary console league tables.
then berated almost every PS3 game by reluctantly dragging sales numbers in to the equation while praising 360 games. All the while complaining about d33znuts praise for a single console and how people who by the wii or wii games don't use it or should be dismissed as kids and woman (as if they should be dismissed anyway).
When I tell you about this I'm somehow barging in to attack your opinion when you also "barge in" on my reply to danight it's a logical conversation.
now to the reason I've replied
you've just jumped on some new member for the exact same so I would ask you the exact same thing you asked me
"are we only allowed to talk about things the way you see it or like it."
He/she doesn't think the 360 games were good just like you thought the PS3 games weren't good.
Hypocrisy isn't a song, it flows through your viens.
Now that I've replied I'll reply to both posts:
we're not in some school playground so quit the "I will say it to peoples faces" garbage I just didn't address you because I wanted to ignore you and was addressing grape. when I ignore you you usually say I'm somehow dodging your point when I reply to you grape and sirxlaughts tell me to ignore you.
@Danasbo: I hope you weren't addressing me or kcvfr400 with that post and it was the other 2 in the thread. you know who.
beterweter
10-22-2009, 01:04 PM
lol I decided to ignore you but this is just too good to miss.
here is a guy who berated wii games and the wii as a whole "shovelware consoles not allowed" in your imaginary console league tables.
then berated almost every PS3 game by reluctantly dragging sales numbers in to the equation while praising 360 games. All the while complaining about d33znuts praise for a single console and how people who by the wii or wii games don't use it or should be dismissed as kids and woman (as if they should be dismissed anyway).
When I tell you about this I'm somehow barging in to attack your opinion when you also "barge in" on my reply to danight it's a logical conversation.
now to the reason I've replied
you've just jumped on some new member for the exact same so I would ask you the exact same thing you asked me
"are we only allowed to talk about things the way you see it or like it."
He/she doesn't think the 360 games were good just like you thought the PS3 games weren't good.
Hypocrisy isn't a song, it flows through your viens.
Now that I've replied I'll reply to both posts:
we're not in some school playground so quit the "I will say it to peoples faces" garbage I just didn't address you because I wanted to ignore you and was addressing grape. when I ignore you you usually say I'm somehow dodging your point when I reply to you grape and sirxlaughts tell me to ignore you.
@Danasbo: I hope you weren't addressing me or kcvfr400 with that post and it was the other 2 in the thread. you know who.
no hypocrisy is a band,but then agian you wouldnt know real music so you wouldnt know that now would you.
i will start backwards especially for you (it breaking the habit a bit so whe don't become boring to the rest of the forums) so we start with your @danasbo comment...,
your know its meant at you and 400 why do you even ask?:rolleyes:
you know how he thinks of you guys...
second,or first point as you will,
its funny how you say i'm a hypocrite but you where here kissing ass to others and saying sorry to others for all this,but then again you just can't let it go so you start talking to others to make your point about my comments.
its the same thing but you just couldnt say it to my face so your trying to play the good guy...lol...thats being a hypocrite.
now you go on again cause i comment on someone who clearly is the same as d33z,calcu,machti,discounts or whatever she calls herself next time...the way she talks and where she carefully places the first comments is just a dead giveaway.
you really don't have to be a rocketscientist to figure that out,but you only need a 1 reason to continue now isnt it...
now thats being a hypocrite with a touch of denial...:p
here is a guy who berated wii games and the wii as a whole "shovelware consoles not allowed" in your imaginary console league tables.
then berated almost every PS3 game by reluctantly dragging sales numbers in to the equation while praising 360 games.
now heres a guy who says that millions sold doesnt mean they are more quality games,in short saying that millions of people are wrong for buying those games and the console who has the littelest sales is infact the one with more quality games...again a hypocritical statement.
again this is just my,and many others opinion,you see it on forums here and other forums on other sites that others share my opinion,yet you just want to dissmiss them for a reason.
ignoring this and saying we are all wrong thats being hypocritical isnt it...:rolleyes:
the wii is clearly a console adressed to a different audience,you even mention the perfect example for this and this is the wii fit,million selling but nothing for the core gamer,just,... well...crap...but the girls love it...
and it does have the most shovelware compared to the other 2 consoles,do you deny this...thats hypocritical...
the wii isnt in anymay in direct competition with the ps3 or 360.
even the core games on the wii dont' seem to sell,so in my opinion the people have spoken...just look at dead space and this isnt the only failed attempt to bring other games to the wii...
lol...indeed this was to good to miss,so whe started off again,i wonder what you come up with next:p
so will you decide to answer again...
nothing wil ever be good for you
DanASBO
10-22-2009, 03:02 PM
@ beter
No need to answer for me dude, thanks anywho.
@ Cue
I'm not sure which post you're referring to but I'm only addressing beter, in that I think he should quit before he gets tarred with the same brush as d33z Calcu etc. It's quite easy to become a blind fanboy on this site, getting drawn into long convoluted pointless conversations. Like the one in this thread.
On topic:
Headline should read:
MS: 360 will outsell PS3 the entire generation due to constant delivery of replacement consoles.
I'm surprised nobody else said it :p
no hypocrisy is a band,but then agian you wouldnt know real music so you wouldnt know that now would you.
No I don't know the band but this is another prime example of you berating other peoples opinions. The music I listen to must be garbage and yours "real" music.
i will start backwards especially for you (it breaking the habit a bit so whe don't become boring to the rest of the forums) so we start with your @danasbo comment...,
your know its meant at you and 400 why do you even ask?:rolleyes:
you know how he thinks of you guys...
yes I do have the suspicion that he was but I thought I'd ask instead of jumping to conclusions like you.
ts funny how you say i'm a hypocrite but you where here kissing ass to others and saying sorry to others for all this,but then again you just can't let it go so you start talking to others to make your point about my comments.
its the same thing but you just couldnt say it to my face so your trying to play the good guy...lol...thats being a hypocrite.
You're still not clear on what a hypocrite is.
what I said was
"My apologies grapeape, I do often try to stop posting replies but end up posting anyway."
and I've actually done exactly what I said I usually do. I apologised out of courtesy because I do actually know that this back and forth does annoy some people here.
now you go on again cause i comment on someone who clearly is the same as d33z,calcu,machti,discounts or whatever she calls herself next time...the way she talks and where she carefully places the first comments is just a dead giveaway.
you really don't have to be a rocketscientist to figure that out,but you only need a 1 reason to continue now isnt it...
now thats being a hypocrite with a touch of denial...:p
yes because anybody who dislikes the 360 games is the same person there definitely can't be more than one in the world. if you were trying to do some real trend/statistical profiling (done quant work for government fraud investigations) look at the post count and the final post. This forum has a 3 post limit before you can create your own thread to ask a question. he/she has just entered 3 almost random threads in quick succession most likely not even read them (quoted nobody and clicked post reply) and written a few pointless words all so that he/she can create a thread and ask a question. that's what it looks like to me and yes I'm actually a rocket scientist. So I would say the probability that it's d33znuts is quite low the probability that it's some new member spamming the forums so that he she can create a thread for a question is high but this makes little difference to the point that an opinion was stated and you jumped it even if it were d33znuts.
now heres a guy who says that millions sold doesnt mean they are more quality games,in short saying that millions of people are wrong for buying those games and the console who has the littelest sales is infact the one with more quality games...again a hypocritical statement.
the difference being that I never said 360 games suck and PS3 games are better. I never berated any 360 game and if my memory serves me right have never done so. so I don't think you understand what hypocrite means.
again this is just my,and many others opinion,you see it on forums here and other forums on other sites that others share my opinion,yet you just want to dissmiss them for a reason.
ignoring this and saying we are all wrong thats being hypocritical isnt it...:rolleyes:
the wii is clearly a console adressed to a different audience,you even mention the perfect example for this and this is the wii fit,million selling but nothing for the core gamer,just,... well...crap...but the girls love it...
and it does have the most shovelware compared to the other 2 consoles,do you deny this...thats hypocritical...the wii isnt in anymay in direct competition with the ps3 or 360.
Again you are bringing demographic into this. Do you think the main demographic for PS3 and 360 are the same. they're not. the PS3s main demographic is the older male who likely has less time for gaming. To you everybody on the Wii must have bought and be playing crap shovelware instead of a game they enjoy that's why sales are high, and everybody on the 360 must be the "real gamers" who have bought the best game around. If you are trying to ignore the mainstream and concentrate on the core. the "real gamers" would be the reviewers since games are their life. they've probably played more games than most who consider themselves "real gamers" and know what is on the market better than others.
To you scores don't count and sales don't count when you see fit
because wii players are too mainstream (common) for you and reviewers too niche (uncommon). "360 games are the best" is the only thing you are trying to say really so why not just say it.
Now I know that d33znutz is going to jump in and complain about the essay post but I had to say what I have and that's that.
@ beter
No need to answer for me dude, thanks anywho.
@ Cue
I'm not sure which post you're referring to but I'm only addressing beter, in that I think he should quit before he gets tarred with the same brush as d33z Calcu etc. It's quite easy to become a blind fanboy on this site, getting drawn into long convoluted pointless conversations. Like the one in this thread.
On topic:
Headline should read:
MS: 360 will outsell PS3 the entire generation due to constant delivery of replacement consoles.
I'm surprised nobody else said it :p
was refering to this but I guess it doesn't really matter:
Dude, give up. You may have noticed certain people love to defend certain consoles... and you're fast becoming one of them. Let them spout pointless drivel while you live in the knowledge that you're not a blind tool. There are people here that you can have an actual conversation with.. well there's grape and kneehigh...
Reply With Quote
I think somebody tried to make that joke with the UPS post. Luckily nobody caught on so the thread didn't plummet with RROD crap though it didn't exactly end well anyway due partly to me :o
beterweter
10-22-2009, 07:19 PM
No I don't know the band but this is another prime example of you berating other peoples opinions. The music I listen to must be garbage and yours "real" music.
no my point with this is that you act like you know everything,and well you don't,neither do i btw or anyone else for that matter
yes I do have the suspicion that he was but I thought I'd ask instead of jumping to conclusions like you.
jumping to conclusions? you just know its her immediate breackdown needed,no need for protection and caution...
she made another xtra new account already,now i'm gentle with that one...
like last year,how many accounts did she go tru in a few weeks?...
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You're still not clear on what a hypocrite is.
what I said was
"My apologies grapeape, I do often try to stop posting replies but end up posting anyway."
and I've actually done exactly what I said I usually do. I apologised out of courtesy because I do actually know that this back and forth does annoy some people here.
indeed your anoying your own friends,why?becuase you feel the need to join my conversations...you bring it on yourself m8.
why not try a different approach for a change and see how the works out...
yes because anybody who dislikes the 360 games is the same person there definitely can't be more than one in the world. if you were trying to do some real trend/statistical profiling (done quant work for government fraud investigations) look at the post count and the final post. This forum has a 3 post limit before you can create your own thread to ask a question. he/she has just entered 3 almost random threads in quick succession most likely not even read them (quoted nobody and clicked post reply) and written a few pointless words all so that he/she can create a thread and ask a question. that's what it looks like to me and yes I'm actually a rocket scientist. So I would say the probability that it's d33znuts is quite low the probability that it's some new member spamming the forums so that he she can create a thread for a question is high but this makes little difference to the point that an opinion was stated and you jumped it even if it were d33znuts.
nope pretty shure bout that mister rocketscientist...
the difference being that I never said 360 games suck and PS3 games are better. I never berated any 360 game and if my memory serves me right have never done so. so I don't think you understand what hypocrite means.
where did i say they suck anyway?
i think i stared off with,
i know but to be honest besides uncharted
the games didnt really deliver much for me and it seems neither did they for others...
(im not bashing here but i'm just going to say whats on my mind,so don't be offended please)
really don't hate the ps3,but the games realesed in the 1st years where really a big letdown.
didnt say they sucked ,said they where a letdown and named a few reasons for the games that where exatly this to me...
notice that as opposed to you i am talking about the games?not trashtalking the person its adressed to...
like you i can be hard thats why i added please don't be offended this comment...to prepeare there's going to be some hard stuff coming up,but your welcome to say what you think,but then you feel the need to jump in again and starting your post like an arrogant prick...telling me to come off it and that i'm a sales pitch...
why is this needed?
does mister rocketscientist think he's better then the rest or what?you think know more and your aloud to slash others opinions instead of joining the conversation in a descent manner?
rocketscientist my ass...
now ive seen that you can actually do is with others,so don't be a prick all the time when anwsering to my quotes and discribe your games as you like just don't get to personel with what you adress to someone...
Again you are bringing demographic into this. Do you think the main demographic for PS3 and 360 are the same. they're not. the PS3s main demographic is the older male who likely has less time for gaming. To you everybody on the Wii must have bought and be playing crap shovelware instead of a game they enjoy that's why sales are high, and everybody on the 360 must be the "real gamers" who have bought the best game around. If you are trying to ignore the mainstream and concentrate on the core. the "real gamers" would be the reviewers since games are their life. they've probably played more games than most who consider themselves "real gamers" and know what is on the market better than others.
To you scores don't count and sales don't count when you see fit
because wii players are too mainstream (common) for you and reviewers too exceptional (uncommon). "360 games are the best" is the only thing you are trying to say really so why not just say it.
your the ones who think i need to say that games are better on 360 really...it has more games to my taste at the moment,but you read what you want to read really...
i'm not triying to say 360 games are the best like you imply all the time,i want the ps3 to have descent games(and before you start,i'm not saying it doesnt have those)
they're not. the PS3s main demographic is the older male who likely has less time for gaming.
now thats pure bullcrap m8 thats you whos saying that to justify what your actions here...
thats why they are focussing on making gt5 so big:rolleyes:
thats why they are focussing to bring games like resistance,ff13,killzone,infamous,uncharted,quantu m theory...(really looking forward to that last one btw,actually drooling forward to that...)
all 3rd party non exclusive games are on 360 too...so this puts them at the same spot.
ps3 and 360 demographic are almost identical and soon both consoles will have there focus on the younger ones to wit natal and wand,and i'm not looking forward to this at all.
you just like to give it a more sofisticated twist as you feel more comfortable with it...thats the difference
Now I know that d33znutz is going to jump in and complain about the essay post but I had to say what I have and that's that.
why not try another approach and you will see my comments change towards you as well...this isn not a good example i know.
d33z can stuff it for all i care,the biggest rat on this site.
really?
"don't get to personnel with what you address to someone" is telling you you sound like a sales pitch too personal? for somebody who wasn't insulted when that idiot started talking about their child and replied with "insults do me nothing" I would have thought that would be water off a ducks back.
yes I have a very good old approach to which I'm going to stick this time. To completely ignore you. That recent post of yours just goes to show that a logical conversation is a lost cause.
beterweter
10-23-2009, 10:44 AM
really?
is telling you you sound like a sales pitch too personal? for somebody who wasn't insulted when that idiot started talking about their child and replied with "insults do me nothing" I would have thought that would be water off a ducks back.
yes I have a very good old approach to which I'm going to stick this time. To completely ignore you. That recent post of yours just goes to show that a logical conversation is a lost cause.
you said it in your quote here yourself,
for somebody who wasn't insulted when that idiot started talking about their child
if your half the man you say you are you really wouldnt need to start your posts the way you do,youd ask questions 1st or start a descent conversation.
truth is you just hate my f#cking guts as there are others on the forums that are far worse with far more worse comments...you can't satnd that i'm actually answering a troll all the time who has been here all to long,it shows you really are bias.
you feel like the elite,and trow away others opinions as they are nothing to you.
now go play on your older male demographic console:rolleyes:
good for you to ignore me,but youll be back...you always come back for more...:rolleyes:
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