New ban-resistant Xbox 360 firmware coming soon from C4eva

[Zeus]

It looks as if Microsoft's efforts to ban all those 360's has made hackers pretty angry! According to reports, C4eva has a new firmware in the works with all features of it indistinguisable from the original so there will be NO MORE bans!

<blockquote>4Eva announced he's working on a new firmware on IRC:
"[c4eva] new fw in dev/test - ixtreme LT (Lite Touch) - more efficient , minimal patching , all aspects of fw indistinguisable from orig, no more bans, No ETA!"

We do not have more details atm.
As far as we know the 3 'test boxes' C4Eva has running (see here) are still fine (not banned).</blockquote>

News Source: <a href="http://team-xecuter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51511" target="_blank">Team-Xecuter</a>

[nemesiszero]

As far as we know the 3 'test boxes' C4Eva has running (see here) are still fine (not banned)



The day someone makes an unbannable xbox is the day the that Microsoft lets can play ps3 games on the xbox 360.

The only reason it has banned yet because the codes not public soon as it is Microsoft will know what to look for then BOOM ban wave.

[sirxlaughs]

C4Eva already updated saying all 3 Xbox's were banned at the same time. I'll find the pastebin link.

edit:
http://pastebin.ca/1661850

It seems that MS have found a way to detect the firmware. At least, that's the latest guess.

[osnoozeo]

C4Eva already updated saying all 3 Xbox's were banned at the same time. I'll find the pastebin link.

edit:
http://pastebin.ca/1661850

It seems that MS have found a way to detect the firmware. At least, that's the latest guess.

if that was the case everyone would be banned, but thats not case, but then again. if u play with fire your bound to get burned!

[soulbwoy]

the hackers should get angry and focus on a real hack like the one on the original xbox instead of playing cat and mouse with m$ for overrated live service.

[Xanxion]

C4Eva already updated saying all 3 Xbox's were banned at the same time. I'll find the pastebin link.

edit:

It seems that MS have found a way to detect the firmware. At least, that's the latest guess.

the ****?, the description says they got banned, but the actual paste doesn't say anything related to that?

[n0rthstar]

I think you would have to be nuts to buy a new 360 anytimes soon and trust new firmware on it. Easier to buy a new 360 and some older secondhand games that you already like playing multiplayer with the odd new release... doesnt need to cost an arm and a leg to get back into the game... if you so wished. Or like other people, keep your banned box and get a PS3 lol.

[nwo504]

no eta!!!!!!!!!!!!

i just purchased call of duty mw2 on ps3!

[Excitedguy]

C4Eva already updated saying all 3 Xbox's were banned at the same time. I'll find the pastebin link.

edit:
http://pastebin.ca/1661850

It seems that MS have found a way to detect the firmware. At least, that's the latest guess.

Wow what did you do, only read the top line lol. He said this at line 3:11...

"[03:11] <+c4eva> suspect they are going hard on warez releases and incorrect use of abgx!"

Where do you find in that conversation they he says the firmware is detectable, in fact in the conversation he says...

"[03:06] <+c4eva> fw itself not detectable!"

No where in the conversation does it say his 3 test consoles got banned, so please, stop spreading lies unless you got the evidence to back up your claim, makes you look like a fool.

P.S. Maxconsole, this is old news, can someone suggest a better overall gaming site that doesn't post old news like this, this news has been out for days for the public, don't believe me? Go look at xbox-scene.com and scroll down...

[DEDDOA]

I would not at all be suprised if the likes of abgx are indeed the reason for the ban wave. I wouldn't have put it past MS to have put a copy of one or more of their own games with a marker on torrents and the like for pirates to dl. ABGX would still see it as a legit copy no doubt but MS could see it was their marked game that will only work on hacked consoles. If that is the case, no firmware would protect you and no game would be safe untill multiple versions had been checked against retail versions to see if there are the same.

I can't see MS doing this as being a problem for them, their games are going to get ripped and put online anyway, so if they are indeed doing this, they are not hurting themselves, they would tho make it exceptionaly easy for them to detect pirates.

[skidude2121]

It seems no one is safe, I just got banned today and I havn't played any backups since the ban wave began, and hardly any before that either.

[Radament]

C4Eva already updated saying all 3 Xbox's were banned at the same time. I'll find the pastebin link.

edit:
http://pastebin.ca/1661850

It seems that MS have found a way to detect the firmware. At least, that's the latest guess.

Bullshit. How can people even believe thoose obviously fake logs? The LT consoles aren't banned yet, or at least c4eva didn't announce it.

Also, there are rumors about the latest dashboard update installing new flags, that might be the cause. If its that, it will be really hard to disguise a modified fw.

[wrathchild]

It seems no one is safe, I just got banned today and I havn't played any backups since the ban wave began, and hardly any before that either.

Yea they got me too and I was surprised. I haven't played any of my backups or even my legit ones online since my account expired over six months ago yet they banned me. It's funny though that I upgrade to 1.61 and a few days later I get banned.

[sirxlaughs]

if that was the case everyone would be banned, but thats not case, but then again. if u play with fire your bound to get burned!

There are people reporting that they have been banned even though they have never signed onto Live with a pirated disc. Some people are reporting not having signed onto Live at all in months, and then all of a sudden getting banned. It seems Microsoft has been flagging consoles for quite some time in preparation for this moment. I don't know anyone who's survived this ban wave yet. It seems that my console is also flagged for a banning, so I've avoided Live to retain functionality.

[sirxlaughs]

Wow what did you do, only read the top line lol. He said this at line 3:11...

"[03:11] <+c4eva> suspect they are going hard on warez releases and incorrect use of abgx!"

Where do you find in that conversation they he says the firmware is detectable, in fact in the conversation he says...

"[03:06] <+c4eva> fw itself not detectable!"

No where in the conversation does it say his 3 test consoles got banned, so please, stop spreading lies unless you got the evidence to back up your claim, makes you look like a fool.

P.S. Maxconsole, this is old news, can someone suggest a better overall gaming site that doesn't post old news like this, this news has been out for days for the public, don't believe me? Go look at xbox-scene.com and scroll down...

Believe what you will. It's not just about warez releases. People who rip their own games and don't use ABGX have also been banned.

[osnoozeo]

There are people reporting that they have been banned even though they have never signed onto Live with a pirated disc. Some people are reporting not having signed onto Live at all in months, and then all of a sudden getting banned. It seems Microsoft has been flagging consoles for quite some time in preparation for this moment. I don't know anyone who's survived this ban wave yet. It seems that my console is also flagged for a banning, so I've avoided Live to retain functionality.

i know quite a few ppl not banned and have multiple consoles that all are perfectly fine for now on live! key words for now. nothing is ever perfect and of course ppl r gonna get banned, ms has been doing ban waves every november for last 3yrs. so this is really nothing new

[Xenogears V]

It is only a time matter...

[sirxlaughs]

i know quite a few ppl not banned and have multiple consoles that all are perfectly fine for now on live! key words for now. nothing is ever perfect and of course ppl r gonna get banned, ms has been doing ban waves every november for last 3yrs. so this is really nothing new

They can always check if they've been flagged.

[crypysmoker]

LOLOLOLOLOL
Ahhhh,, Great laugh first thing in the morning. Unbannable LOLOL..
Funny how that was how this all started. C4eva is not as smart as god

But you guys put him out to be im sorry. Its not going to be unbannable. If MS has new media type checks in place its not gonna matter if you have tell live your playing Hello kitty island adventure, they will find out.

Its idiotic and naive to think they wont just do this next time around.

HAsnt C4eva over and over throughout the years said its undetectable...
Didnt he argue with people all last week that MS could not detect the firmware..... and now OOps...

PEople are going to have to realize the same as we did with the xbox 1..
You are going to have to have 1 for back ups and 1 for live. Your just going to havw to get over it. The amount in free games you gets outways the price of a new box and live.
But good luck to you all on the 15th iteration of the unbannable firmware lol

[crypysmoker]

Why not shut your fucking noob mouth, you fucking fag *****.
C4E is a god, and i'm pretty sure we will be safe for another 2 years :).
The firmware itself is not readable, people seem to think MS can read the firmware thats not right. There is to much patching involved, like blocking new banwaves etc. This one will act like a orig one, so people will also not be protected as much as they have done before. So it will be important to have clean images. And then you will be fine, i dont think its smart of MS to ban so many Xboxes. There is suchs a big flaw in the dvd security, that C4EVA can patch it any time again. This will be a big blow to those cocknibblers of MS.

And people should stop crying, everbody knows there is a risk playing backups online with XBL.

lol.. Because acting like a child and caling me a noob and faggot (which means a bundle of stick if you use a dictionary) IS going to change my mind on the fact that anyone who belives they are safe now are turds.
You took my generalized statment and took offense to it so you are one of the mindless idiota who follows whoever he thinks is smarter.
C4eva is not a god. HE found a way for people to steal games on XBox Woopity do dah. This isnt a homebrew scene, its a piracy scene.

Pull your head out of your ass and come up with some new insults. Because constantly calling every noob and fag are just old.

NEwb,Noob.. Short for newbile, new to somethign or just starting out.
Faggot- Old woman, A bundle of sticks used for fire or building....

Ohh, such hurtful insults.
ANyway... Good luck lol

[sirxlaughs]

LOLOLOLOLOL
Ahhhh,, Great laugh first thing in the morning. Unbannable LOLOL..
Funny how that was how this all started. C4eva is not as smart as god

But you guys put him out to be im sorry. Its not going to be unbannable. If MS has new media type checks in place its not gonna matter if you have tell live your playing Hello kitty island adventure, they will find out.

Its idiotic and naive to think they wont just do this next time around.

HAsnt C4eva over and over throughout the years said its undetectable...
Didnt he argue with people all last week that MS could not detect the firmware..... and now OOps...

PEople are going to have to realize the same as we did with the xbox 1..
You are going to have to have 1 for back ups and 1 for live. Your just going to havw to get over it. The amount in free games you gets outways the price of a new box and live.
But good luck to you all on the 15th iteration of the unbannable firmware lol

I don't think it's the firmware itself that is detectable. I don't know how any of that stuff works, but I think MS has found a way to send an inquiry to the drive. Depending on the drive's behavior, MS can tell if the firmware is original or not. That's my best guess so far.
Either way, it's always a cat and mouse game. It seems that this time, Microsoft has been flagging consoles for months in preparation for this pre-holiday ban.

[Signa]

I don't think it's the firmware itself that is detectable. I don't know how any of that stuff works, but I think MS has found a way to send an inquiry to the drive. Depending on the drive's behavior, MS can tell if the firmware is original or not. That's my best guess so far.
Either way, it's always a cat and mouse game. It seems that this time, Microsoft has been flagging consoles for months in preparation for this pre-holiday ban.

At this point, I'm sure you are correct. There is no way that a million people were this careless and played games early, or had bad stealth on their disks. They banned 3% of all consoles sold, which can't be much lower than the total number of modded consoles. I don't know what the rate of modded consoles are on any system, but I can't imagine that the Xbox was that high because of the high risk and complications involved in modding the system.

[crypysmoker]

Boohoohoo mum somebody is pirating games, get a life dude.

lol.. Seriously..
I swear some of you read only what you want just so you can ***** about something.

MOst of you dont leave the house do you?
In what way was I complaining about people pirating games?

My point was that maybe this will help the actual Homebrew scene along rather then people getting pissed because they got banned for playing stolen games then threatening people lives like the xbox enforcment team.

Some of you are just so god damn brain dead I seriously weep for the future

[vital2]

Does anyone think that C4eva will Upload the new ban free firmware this month?

[trev1234]

you will never beat ms !!!!

[xsam34]

I haven't been ban yet. All the games i play online don't have the 4th wave crap. All my friends and people i know all got ban and all played games with the 4 wave security. abgx released there new version to check 4 wave games but i'm not too sure that you can be safe with that. So im just going to play all wave 4 offline. Its funny that the new wave took out so many.

[violentj]

its definatly the firmware thats detected
,i got banned on a newly flashed elite that had never even had a game in the drive-all that was played was some xbla games

[sirxlaughs]

I haven't been ban yet. All the games i play online don't have the 4th wave crap. All my friends and people i know all got ban and all played games with the 4 wave security. abgx released there new version to check 4 wave games but i'm not too sure that you can be safe with that. So im just going to play all wave 4 offline. Its funny that the new wave took out so many.

It's not about wave 4. Myself and a few others I know didn't play wave 4 games. You should check if you've been flagged.

[diecast]

yeah no wave 4 for me. i'd be interested in seeing what firmwares where banned. of the people i know the only person not banned has a benq with 1.51. everyone i know with 1.6 or 1.61 got the ban hammer. and before i get flammed i'm not saying i know anything i'm just tossing out what has happened to me and the people that i modded.

[sirxlaughs]

yeah no wave 4 for me. i'd be interested in seeing what firmwares where banned. of the people i know the only person not banned has a benq with 1.51. everyone i know with 1.6 or 1.61 got the ban hammer. and before i get flammed i'm not saying i know anything i'm just tossing out what has happened to me and the people that i modded.

There's a ongoing compilation at xbox-scene of people filling out firmware, drive type, and other things.

[xsam34]

yeah no wave 4 for me. i'd be interested in seeing what firmwares where banned. of the people i know the only person not banned has a benq with 1.51. everyone i know with 1.6 or 1.61 got the ban hammer. and before i get flammed i'm not saying i know anything i'm just tossing out what has happened to me and the people that i modded.

Not actually true, my friends all had 1.51 and 1.6 and got banned. I'm using a 1.61 and haven't got banned but i didn't play any wave 4 games online but who knows honestly.

[xsam34]

It's not about wave 4. Myself and a few others I know didn't play wave 4 games. You should check if you've been flagged.

Yeah i check again haven't got banned and hope it doesn't. If i do i couple of 360's i so i'm good if i just curious to know if it was the wave 4 games because abgx couldn't really check and patch them until now and the new call of duty is a wave 4 but forza 3 isn't. so i play street fighter forza halo odst and havent got ban so well see.

[neoragex]

Does anyone think that C4eva will Upload the new ban free firmware this month?
there is no firmware undetectable
All three boxes running by c4eva with new fw has been banned at the same time. He already failed to cheat M$

[ThreeDog]

I don't think it's the firmware itself that is detectable. I don't know how any of that stuff works, but I think MS has found a way to send an inquiry to the drive. Depending on the drive's behavior, MS can tell if the firmware is original or not. That's my best guess so far.
Either way, it's always a cat and mouse game. It seems that this time, Microsoft has been flagging consoles for months in preparation for this pre-holiday ban.

For a start here's the public logs from a modded xbox 360 http://xbins.org/xblive/


There's a ongoing compilation at xbox-scene of people filling out firmware, drive type, and other things.
Can't trust them at all some of these people have been caught out, often the ones you find on xbox.com claiming they've done nothing wrong.


At this point, I'm sure you are correct. There is no way that a million people were this careless and played games early, or had bad stealth on their disks. They banned 3% of all consoles sold, which can't be much lower than the total number of modded consoles. I don't know what the rate of modded consoles are on any system, but I can't imagine that the Xbox was that high because of the high risk and complications involved in modding the system.

There are so many factors and issues here its easy to blame the firmware when we have too much/not enough information and plenty of misinformation, its a flawed scene. I doubt we'll ever know without c4eva saying something which is why its just not worth the risk.

[msanchez]

I'm also starting to believe ms has been preparing for this for some time now. Seems ms wasn't playing "cat and mouse" with hackers, but something more along the lines of chess, and this is starting to look like checkmate. I'm sure that hackers will find a way, but a lot of people are going to be more cautious now about modding. If you can afford to get yourself 2 360s then that's probably the only way to go about it safely.

This fight is unlike sony vs the psp scene.

[grapeape]

wasnt the last one supposedly un-detectable too? Just sayin....

[skidude2121]

wasnt the last one supposedly un-detectable too? Just sayin....

Well he obviously made some modifications to the firmware to make sure only stealthed backups were booted, but it seems these addons backfired and MS was able to use them to detect the firmware. I think he is just getting rid of these "add on" features, so now it is up to the user to use stealth backups and not the firmware to decide if it is stealth or not.

[polosolo]

Yea they got me too and I was surprised. I haven't played any of my backups or even my legit ones online since my account expired over six months ago yet they banned me. It's funny though that I upgrade to 1.61 and a few days later I get banned.

Surprize! surprize!!

[UKR JOKER]

It's not about wave 4. Myself and a few others I know didn't play wave 4 games. You should check if you've been flagged.

i was still running 1.6 on my lite on never played a wave 4 game either i was waiting for 1.7 to come,i also had a legit copy of mw2 granted got it a few days early.funny thing is got my copy last friday got banned on saturday!!seems rather funny that consoles getting banned just as mw2 comes out.
but there is a silver lining to havin 1.6 now i dont have to get my banned machine reflashed i can just patch all the games to wave 3 and play off line.and yes i have a seperate hdd so no worries there either!!!

[DKing]

Seems ms wasn't playing "cat and mouse" with hackers, but something more along the lines of chess, and this is starting to look like checkmate.

It's only Mate since people can still play copies just fine. They just can't play them online. Checkmate is when they can stop both such as what the PS3 has been able to do (so far).

[dannybII]

FFS some folks eh?
Wave 4 on discs is not a new security and it's not a new protection.

If people can't even grasp the basics why is anyone even listening to what they have to say regarding bans?

As for taking the word of someone who's read something on another forum who in turn knows someones uncle :confused::confused:

These are public forums. The breeding ground for mis-information, and lets face it lies.

After the first ever wave of bans I read avidly every post trying to find a patern. It never existed online then and it certainly doesn't exist now.

I have test units myself on live and sufficed to say the only things I trust are those I KNOW to be true.

[The_Nothing]

MS will find a way to detect it eventually.

No way will it be ban-resistant.

MS is not stupid, they will get their hands on this firmware, and find some vulnerability on it. Detect it on live. Then BAM new ban wave.

Let face it, its just not worth it. Buy a new box for legit games and online. Use old modded box for backups only. Thats the only real Ban-resistant way to play.

After this ban wave, one million people will have to buy new Xbox 360's to get back on live and regain HDD compatibility. Who in the right mind is going to re-flash with this so-called undetectable FW and play on live again after getting banned before? Who will risk it again? Not me.

Thats like a mouse getting caught in a trap breaking both of its back legs. Only to survive to fall for the same trap all over again.

[Skevast]

People with very old firmware that i know have been spared, I belive their firmware was stealth but without the splitvid hack that reads the same layer twice and also without the 359 mdodification. They needed to make al games splitvid with abxg and adjust the 359 angle manually. Two of them only used originals on their 360 and 1 used only copys not one original, all of them were Live junkies.

I am not sure if Ixtreme reads the video partition twice from the same layer on all games including originals and backups with splitvid. Because that could explain alot, it takes some time to ajust the laser to read the second layer, That's why 360's that do this faster because they only need to read the same layer again are getting caught. The new firmware only needs to test the DVD once when you try a game and if the timing between reading the videopartition from diffrent layers is to fast the firmware flags the 360 and after you connect to Live the 360 Firmware talks to the Live Service, maybe even on another IP just to confuse us more, who knows maybe you don't even need to login, the firmware could talk to microsoft as soon you're connected to a Network with an Internet connection.

The one thing I am 100% sure about is the New Firmware/Dash, several of my friends flashed back to original DVD Firmware before updateing to the update that came with Modern Warfare 2, the same update you get when you connect to the Live service. None of them were banned. So the new update gives the 360 some new Offline/Online instruktions that helps ms with the bannings.

So if you're a chicken and haven't updated yet to the newest dashbord you will be able to reverse your DVD firmware to original, except the LiteOn because there isn't an original for the LiteOn.

The people I was talking about that wasn't banned all had Samsung drives, They had Ixtreme 1.2 or something. It was before the splitvid and 359 angle...

[breakfast4]

This news is old, How about posting directions to the 1934 World's Fair, that is about as useful.

[vital2]

So C4eva won't make another firmware that would maybe be unbannable?

[dsav]

This news is old, How about posting directions to the 1934 World's Fair, that is about as useful.

lool.

skeav or whatever is probably right, the new update made it easier to detect the fw.

either way i highly doubt this new LT will be unbannable, tell me that if you survive next year's ban.

then we'll see.

[DEDDOA]

I don't know why everyone seems to think that MS can't read or see the firmware. A pc can detect the firmware it has on it's hardware without directly reading the data on it, they can check size crc, name etc with simple programmes without putting them in a editing state. It wouldn't be hard for MS to include a simple firmware check prog to run at boot up, if the firmware doesn't match the ones in it's data base (which would be small so would take next to no time to check against) then it is flagged for the next boot into XBL. They could even do a full test on boot up when the firmware is updated without anyone noticing, which could go some way to explaining bans at the times of firmware updates. The checks don't have be done on line, but it wouldn't be outside the realms of impossibility for thme to include extra integrity checks with new dash updates.

Combine that with intentional release of games on torrents etc by MS with markers that the dash can pickup and flag for next XBL seesion and it would be very simple for MS to find hacked consoles, and very hard to get around.

that said tho, i guess untill the likes of NXE are hacked, we will have no real idea how it's be done.

[weeboo]

there is no firmware undetectable
All three boxes running by c4eva with new fw has been banned at the same time. He already failed to cheat M$

if only c4eva and his fellow hackers were fckn greedy to not share this hacked firmware, im pretty damn sure m$ wouldnt have known anyone is playing a pirated copy online and wouldnot have started banning live accounts. the firmware is publish thats why microsoft are able to implement security in their update to block hacks.


also, im pretty damn sure microsoft didnt totally fix rrod because of users who tamper and flash their dvd ddrive with hacked fw. you flash your dvd-drive with hacked firmware in order to play games for free, but once you get rrod, no free fix from m$ now because you void the warranty... whats next you do......1) buy another 360 to play free games. its kinda smart way of m$ battling piracy, but it has huge drawback for legit users because they have to suffer this hardware problem for enternity. lol 2) pay the repair fee that should have been free.

[blackn0x]

Damn, It's too late for me. My 360 just got banned from live today... =\ Oh well, it probably whould have died soon anyway considering I already have repaired my launch 360 from rrod like 3 times now.
I've been on live for quite some time with this console playing backups ever since hacked firmwares came out.

Don't think I'll be buying a new 360 anytime soon.

[obsex]

i'm pretty shure this firmware flashing for the xbox was started by microsoft themselves at the same time the ps3 was released, considering it is more sophisticated in terms of hardware (7core proc...).Thus the ps3 definetly has a longer life span than the 360 wich will become obsolete soon enough and maybe replaced. This is the whole ideea of buying a 360 now-u can run pirated games on it and even play on live until november:D , I own a banned 360 and now , after a hdd uncripple i can still play it just fine offline. im very shure the ps3 will eventually be cracked as it gets old and other,more powerfull consoles get launched(xbox 720 maybe) so that it is still desirable by the backup fans.
it's all a marketing skeme that always works!

[wiggim]

LT firmware should work with original discs and not ban anyone then, if its truly stealth. Originals shouldn't have any problems like backups right? I Know people with iXtreme1.50 firmware who play online every night and have not been banned yet - you are saying they are spared? NO! the firmwares released were rushed and quickfixes implimented which were unsafe in the actual firmware for the wave rev (SSv2?)

@obsex - MS definatly did not release this. MS make licensing profit of like $15 per title sold (just like PS3), and xbox live is huge.
The devs who got Xbox backups going without any system mods ported it to the 360 as MS didn't change the chipset or encrypt the firmwares (samsung). You can give MS props for that goof and say they aided the 'pirates' by leaving this door open when it was publically clear R&D for this method of loading was almost complete.
If MS launched the 360 with the LiteOns on the market today - we would have to pray and hope for more holes to be found in the unit. I don't think we would be able to get the firmwares from the drive, much less rewrite the instruction sets.. Too bad only one hole has ever been found, we need an 8955 exploit.

[obsex]

wiggim r u sayn that the new liteon driver is unflashable, i heard this before that the 2010 liteon equipped models are pirate proof, cuz i was considering getting a new 360 and try this lt joke see if it's good for something the 1.6 was just fine ...for a year or so:D