New ban-resistant Xbox 360 firmware 'looking good' according to devs

[Zeus]

The guys known as Team Jungle have updated their Twitter page regarding the new iXtreme LT firmware from C4E. The new firmware aims to be as close to the original as possible, hence less possible bans/detection. Anyhow, development is said said to be going good and the most 'accurate' firmware ever!

<blockquote>Team Jungle have been updating their Twitter Page regarding development of the forthcoming iXtreme LT firmware from C4E. Looks like they are having a great time with it, kinda reminds us of XB1 BIOS development in the old days :)

Here are some direct quotes – you can read the full posts on their Twitter Page – some interesting points, particularly regarding SplitVid.

* Note: backups need to have SplitVid from now on to be safe for LT

* LT is not only Lite Touch, lots of great new code making this version the most accurate fw eva! :)

* new code looking good, lots of new code!

* iXtreme LT for all drives, in dev/testing and going well. No ETA!</blockquote>

News Source: <a href="http://www.team-xecuter.com" target="_blank">Team-Xecuter.com</a>

[saleem]

by all drives i can assume they got a solution for the nonreadable 83850 and perhaps the 9 version.just a remark not a question.

well we'll see come closer its release.
:)

[JoMacHo]

Seriously doubt there will be a new firmware for these latest drives. At least not for now. If they're developing a new firmware, they don't have the time to crack the new liteon's security, maybe later, who knows.

[ThreeDog]

Translations follow:

* Note: backups need to have SplitVid from now on to be safe for LT
Whoopses sorry guys look to splitvid. We know we said Yes/No/Yes/No/Yes splitvid wasn't guessing fun?

* LT is not only Lite Touch, lots of great new code making this version the most accurate fw eva! :)
We found new ways of getting you banned isn't this excitings?

* new code looking good, lots of new code!
You must love new code we're so l33t, we don't even know what we put in!

* iXtreme LT for all drives, in dev/testing and going well. No ETA!
Hitachi last guyses, enjoyz banzorz!

I think that just about covers it.

[Riffy]

Hopefuly we will get both, since most the banned consoles will need replaced and don't most if not all the new consoles out there have the newer unhackable drives stock inside them?
Honestly since I got banned I just now noticed I haven't touched my xbox since, I just went right back to PC gaming.

[crypysmoker]

Translations follow:

* Note: backups need to have SplitVid from now on to be safe for LT
Whoopses sorry guys look to splitvid. We know we said Yes/No/Yes/No/Yes splitvid wasn't guessing fun?

* LT is not only Lite Touch, lots of great new code making this version the most accurate fw eva! :)
We found new ways of getting you banned isn't this excitings?

* new code looking good, lots of new code!
You must love new code we're so l33t, we don't even know what we put in!

* iXtreme LT for all drives, in dev/testing and going well. No ETA!
Hitachi last guyses, enjoyz banzorz!

I think that just about covers it.

lolol.. thats about right.
i mean go back to when i xtreme first came out. "oh ms cant tell the difference blah blah" 5 revisions later hundreds of thousands are banned.
now, split video matters? which means it did before and they int notice. oops.

ill just deal how i did when the mass xbox 1 bannings when live first started. 1 xbox to buy and play online, one for offlne play on Kai.

the price for free games.

now i just need a new power brick cause i sold mine with one of my bannd xboxes lol

[hanz]

Hopefuly we will get both, since most the banned consoles will need replaced and don't most if not all the new consoles out there have the newer unhackable drives stock inside them?
Honestly since I got banned I just now noticed I haven't touched my xbox since, I just went right back to PC gaming.

I've not touched mine either since being banned and I have reverted to PS3 online.

I'm not taking the risk anymore with new fw updates, as M$ will cotton on sooner or later, as they made the fricken thing after all. Its not worth it, risking $$$ on a new machine to play copies online, knowing a ban could occur at any time no matter what fw you have.

Props to C4eva and Team Jungle for their work and continuing work but I'm hanging up my hat and coat this time round guys.

[Zak]

Wtf is wrong with you ungrateful losers? We always knew that playing backups involves a risk and we accepted that when we flashed the firmware.

Without the people behind the firmwares (c4eva mainly) you wouldn't be playing ANY backups on 360, offline or online.
I'm sure there will be more bans in the future but don't forget that we have been going for almost 3 years now without a major flaw in the firmware.

I for one am thankful for all we got and I don't mind getting a new 360 to keep playing online.

[Aks]

Wtf is wrong with you ungrateful losers? We always knew that playing backups involves a risk and we accepted that when we flashed the firmware.

Without the people behind the firmwares (c4eva mainly) you wouldn't be playing ANY backups on 360, offline or online.
I'm sure there will be more bans in the future but don't forget that we have been going for almost 3 years now without a major flaw in the firmware.

I for one am thankful for all we got and I don't mind getting a new 360 to keep playing online.


AMEN BROTHER!!! I am going to flash the new fw when it comes out and I dont care, these people should respect the work c4eva and his crew have done. We know the risk we take and if we get banned we deserved it.

[tomgreen99200]

+1. I will be modding my new console as soon as the new firmeware comes out. All the whinny little girls here need to shut up and remember that there have always been risks involved.

[hanz]

If every ***** ass has money to burn then so be it. Some people do have lifes/girlfriends and children to take care off and dont spend 24/7 on gaming, and cannot afford to go and buy new consoles. Go and buy a new one, but dont coming crying to mommy when your ass is Banned again in the future.

There is no mockery directed at the fw devs, everyone knows the risks on cfw, yet the cfw for 360's is at a end now regardless as, M$ are not taking no ****.

[Attitude]

Wtf is wrong with you ungrateful losers? We always knew that playing backups involves a risk and we accepted that when we flashed the firmware.

Without the people behind the firmwares (c4eva mainly) you wouldn't be playing ANY backups on 360, offline or online.
I'm sure there will be more bans in the future but don't forget that we have been going for almost 3 years now without a major flaw in the firmware.

I for one am thankful for all we got and I don't mind getting a new 360 to keep playing online.

Really do find it funny when people refer to copies as 'Backups' ffs just say it as it is and your using downloaded copies as i sure in hell dont believe people buy a game to back it up to play on a modded 360.

[msanchez]

Wtf is wrong with you ungrateful losers? We always knew that playing backups involves a risk and we accepted that when we flashed the firmware.

Without the people behind the firmwares (c4eva mainly) you wouldn't be playing ANY backups on 360, offline or online.
I'm sure there will be more bans in the future but don't forget that we have been going for almost 3 years now without a major flaw in the firmware.

I for one am thankful for all we got and I don't mind getting a new 360 to keep playing online.

Ungrateful? I don't think anyone is complaining about not playing any backups. They are just saying that you'll eventually be facing the same dilemma as you are now. Probably none of these people play "backups", and if they do they knew the chances they were taking, and if they got banned they are not b*tching about that.

Anyways, I agree with them, MS can always look up their code and find some way to detect it if you connect to live. It's not a matter of can they do it, but when.

[MadonnaProject]

*rolls eyes*

Untill come next summer/november when microsoft bans everyone all over agian - the same way they have done for the last 4 years.

Then what happens? c4eva tw@t comes out with YET another firmware and goes "wait, THIS one is the most secure one".

Yeah yeah, heard it all before. f*ck off.

[DaILLi$T]

i bet as soon as you mod the console with the firmware its gonna get banned!!!!

THats why you gotta have an offline console and an online console.

[TheGame1594]

lolol.. thats about right.
i mean go back to when i xtreme first came out. "oh ms cant tell the difference blah blah" 5 revisions later hundreds of thousands are banned.
now, split video matters? which means it did before and they int notice. oops.

ill just deal how i did when the mass xbox 1 bannings when live first started. 1 xbox to buy and play online, one for offlne play on Kai.

the price for free games.

now i just need a new power brick cause i sold mine with one of my bannd xboxes lol


splitvid wasn't required because ixtreme have emulate it for you! so what you saying is total bullsh...

[madfatter]

*rolls eyes*

Untill come next summer/november when microsoft bans everyone all over agian - the same way they have done for the last 4 years.

Then what happens? c4eva tw@t comes out with YET another firmware and goes "wait, THIS one is the most secure one".

Yeah yeah, heard it all before. f*ck off.

oh im sorry. where can i download YOUR custom firmware?

[Skeav]

if your going to use it dont cry when u get banned the fun is c4e will make new one and ms will make something better thats the way of the game :-)

[JoMacHo]

To those getting banned and upset with c4eva, please buy a ps3, you will not be banned for playing pirated games, i guarantee.

[JoMacHo]

People that don't have consoles modded, don't visit these forums.

[dsav]

ahh nothing but good ol internet BS fighting filling a nice thread regarding the new fw.

although i will say c4 does make too many promises, i mean even when he announced this new fw he said no more bans! lol.

i'll believe that when i see it.


but regardless credit to em, without c4 there would be no playing backups how i see it.

period.

[Son of Spam]

I haven't hooked up my Xbox 360 to the internet since I modded it to 1.61, so Microsoft hasn't had a chance to flag me for banning at least. I just wonder if I update to this new firmware when it comes out and it really is undetectable if MS can detect that I had a detectable firmware on it before.

[showstopper]

I haven't hooked up my Xbox 360 to the internet since I modded it to 1.61, so Microsoft hasn't had a chance to flag me for banning at least. I just wonder if I update to this new firmware when it comes out and it really is undetectable if MS can detect that I had a detectable firmware on it before.

I have a few mates in the same situation. I personally think that you are either already flaged or your not. Wait for the new firmware, flash it, and then try and log onto live.

[mcmanic]

COD MW2 that dagger released wasn't splitdvd according to xbgx360

[switchg3ar]

There are lots of ways of determining if you are running a copied game. One way is to use a Gaussian distribution model this can be very accurate. You can transform performance metrics of an original disc and a copied disc using various distribution models, wavelets, z transformation then with further filtering of the data mining process you can get a distribution of copied games.

I have done it with other data sets it's not impossible. You can try and hide it all you want but it's next to impossible to escape this type of analysis.

[Sm0k3d 0uT]

There are lots of ways of determining if you are running a copied game. One way is to use a Gaussian distribution model this can be very accurate. You can transform performance metrics of an original disc and a copied disc using various distribution models, wavelets, z transformation then with further filtering of the data mining process you can get a distribution of copied games.

I have done it with other data sets it's not impossible. You can try and hide it all you want but it's next to impossible to escape this type of analysis.



Hmmm i think i have seen this post word for word on another forum :rolleyes:

[Riffy]

Ungrateful? I don't think anyone is complaining about not playing any backups. They are just saying that you'll eventually be facing the same dilemma as you are now. Probably none of these people play "backups", and if they do they knew the chances they were taking, and if they got banned they are not b*tching about that.

Anyways, I agree with them, MS can always look up their code and find some way to detect it if you connect to live. It's not a matter of can they do it, but when.

Shhh they need to turn this into another flame area to yell about something no one is talking about to sound important. I just don't care about the whole thing, 360 just hasn't put out any games since the ban worth playing so I went back to lfd2 on my pc. Anyone tried kai with a 360 yet?

[Riffy]

To those getting banned and upset with c4eva, please buy a ps3, you will not be banned for playing pirated games, i guarantee.

Since when could you even mod them, also just asking but can they do import titles that would sway me.

[JoMacHo]

Since when could you even mod them, also just asking but can they do import titles that would sway me.

Exactly because it can't be modded, you won't get banned for pirated games. You're asking if ps titles are region locked? I have a few imported titles and they run fine, i'm not aware of imported games not booting on the ps3.

[switchg3ar]

Hmmm i think i have seen this post word for word on another forum :rolleyes:

ya because I posted it a few days ago. The news on this site keeps repeating itself. Everyone seems to think that checking the firmware is the only way to see if it's been hacked

[Sparks988]

I think when the devs find a way to stop the drive reading and showing the disc mid code then it will be a big advance it stopping detection of backups.
ms have said that one of the ways they detect fakes is by how the disc is manufactured ie pressed not burned so they must be able to detect disc type.

[showstopper]

ms have said that one of the ways they detect fakes is by how the disc is manufactured ie pressed not burned so they must be able to detect disc type.

Where is your source for this? No one knows how MS do their checks.

[Sparks988]

Several sites reported a taped conversation between a ms support worker and a guy calling to ask about banning, how would you know how ms do their checks?? just because they havn't said how doesnt mean that they dont use this as a option, just try it. even imgburn reports it when you go to "make image from disc" in the info window just scroll down to after the layer break info.

[showstopper]

Several sites reported a taped conversation between a ms support worker and a guy calling to ask about banning, how would you know how ms do their checks?? just because they havn't said how doesnt mean that they dont use this as a option, just try it. even imgburn reports it when you go to "make image from disc" in the info window just scroll down to after the layer break info.

I dont know how MS do their checks and I dont claim to know. All im saying is I never really believe the stories that go: "my mate said" or "my uncles friend works for MS" or "a taped conversation between a ms support worker and a guy calling to ask about banning".

[Sparks988]

I agree totally, my point is that the disc mid code is so easy to detect that i would not take a lot of effort to read it, every time you put in a disc into the drive the mid is read straight away and so the console could log it and keep a record in nand and report it back as soon as its connected to live.
Unless someone finds a way to remove or block the mid code being detected then i think bans will go on regardless of what firmware you have.

[showstopper]

I agree totally, my point is that the disc mid code is so easy to detect that i would not take a lot of effort to read it, every time you put in a disc into the drive the mid is read straight away and so the console could log it and keep a record in nand and report it back as soon as its connected to live.
Unless someone finds a way to remove or block the mid code being detected then i think bans will go on regardless of what firmware you have.

True. But what about videos burnt to a DVD and then used? Microsoft even say you are allowed to do this.

[Sparks988]

True but if the disc is loading a game then the disc its on is detectable, but like the boot sector on your hard drive the startup code is always there.

[snake2]

Can a ROM drive read MID codes? I thought only burners could read them.

edit: put a burnt game into my BenQ with 0800, no MID is shown

[JoMacHo]

A modded firmware could send a valid mid signal, still wouldn't be detected.

[dsav]

just read in the other thread that some guy who's on 1.61 an didn't get banned.

at this point who knows what combination ms used/detected an banned folks over.

i still think bad rips/playing games early is the #1 cause for banning, an they even accidently banned legit consoles too, so they're method wasn't 100% accurate anyway.

only time will tell how good the new LT will fare, possibly won't know until next november since ms usually only does mass bannings once a year i think.