Article: LOL: Forza 3 is way smarter than Gran Turismo 5 but much uglier

[Zeus]

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[Tsujin]

It's situational really, theres plenty of times i've been driven in to in both games, and plenty of times i've been driven around.

[danight]

whats wrong with the forza 3 graphics? where is the ugly stuff?
gt 6 is brighter because forza 3 is is shadowed behind a mountain.
But this video isnt like its 720 or 1080p res its 380 :confused:so its grainy anyways.

Been nice if he used the same car view for both versions... instead of in inside cab and other over looking behind.

[gooki]

WTF did I just watch?

[unwanted]

from what I have seen from GT5 its pretty poor in comparison to Forza3... Forza is way more fun, the graphics for me are better too...

[danight]

from what I have seen from GT5 its pretty poor in comparison to Forza3... Forza is way more fun, the graphics for me are better too...


I dunno... gt 5 has some good looks and its more like a trade off. Some things look different. Like ps3 has brighter grass kinda a turf look and forza has kinda a bland grass look. The road on forza looks darker and the driving line on GT is bright. GT has more detail in some maps though, like banners and use of color.

I own 1 of the sports cars in forza 3 and its damn near spot on in detail. the inside is damn near perfect match of may car.

But GT should look better it took 5 years to make and its brand new vs forza 3 thats been out a while now and had less dev time since forza 2 was released not long before it.

[iloveme28]

forza 3 is class, im still playing it now and ive had it since launch :D

[urmaster]

from what I have seen from GT5 its pretty poor in comparison to Forza3... Forza is way more fun, the graphics for me are better too...I'd actually like to agree with you on the graphics aspect, although in Forza the cars look a little plastic like it’s quite a well-polished presentation. I feel GT5 is inconsistent, some tracks look like direct ports of the PS2 version and the same is almost true of the standard cars. With Forza at least it looks good more consistently not just if you look at the rear of a premium car!

Also the menu system is horrid from a UI design perspective and when Forza doesn't have the screen tearing and frame rate issues I've experienced in GT5

[hoky]

doesn't matter if forza is smarter the prettier one always wins. Have you ever seen a dude pick a smart ugly girl over a dumb as bricks pretty girl? It's the same with video games. People who don't care about how well a game works will only go for the pretty ones that look real.

[Nomad121]

doesn't matter if forza is smarter the prettier one always wins. Have you ever seen a dude pick a smart ugly girl over a dumb as bricks pretty girl? It's the same with video games. People who don't care about how well a game works will only go for the pretty ones that look real.

Generally yes, but not always the case with a video game, different priorities with different genres. It would seem to me however that prettier graphics appeal to the audience more in this racing simulator's context.

[ok123]

I havnt really had any big problems with GT5's AI after about 15 hours of playtime. The only "problem" (i use quote signs since i just had to restart the race once, not a game breaking deal for me) i had was when i was trying to do a license test and one of the AI cars rammed me like 3-4 times which led to me being disqualified lol (probably because of some collision detection "bug"). But that said, it wouldnt hurt if GT5's AI gets improved. I think that Polyphony will keep working on GT5 eventhough that the game is released, so i am interested to see what they will do further on the game :)


When it comes to the graphics comparison between GT5 and Forza 3, i am not really going to say much about that since often graphics are in the eye of the beholder. Someone say that "this" looks better while other will say "that" looks better. I think that the graphics in GT5 looks really good and from what i have seen from Forza 3 videos (unfortunately i havnt played the game myself yet), the graphics looks pretty good too.

There is one thing that i feel that is often overlooked in the "Forza 3 VS GT5" comparisons by the way, and that is that it is possible to have 16 cars on a track in GT5 compared to Forza 3 who can have 8 cars on a track. For many this doesnt really matter much, but from a technical standpoint i think that it is quite an achievement to get 16 cars on one track while keeping the physics the same and having great graphics as well :)

[dvhh]

Well it's not like the owners of GT5 gonna complain about the shabby AI, as there is still the free online multiplayer which is a bazillion more fun than AI racing compared to the payed gold xbox live account, even though this part is not that polished yet people could still hope for improvement for next updates.
The only thing that bugs me is the commitment of polyphony digital after delivering the game, would there be more improvement through update or are they keeping more significant improvement for the next version (like a more polished online experience, more car customizations like paint jobs that would make your car unique online ).
No really in this kind of game I have little worry for the AI, I only feel sorry for all the guys that hyped tthis game so long in their mind only to be bashed by xbot.

Disclaimer : I am an xbox owner and love to bash GT fans who expected gold platted glittering unicorn out of this game.

[tommo120]

There is one thing that i feel that is often overlooked in the "Forza 3 VS GT5" comparisons by the way, and that is that it is possible to have 16 cars on a track in GT5 compared to Forza 3 who can have 8 cars on a track. For many this doesnt really matter much, but from a technical standpoint i think that it is quite an achievement to get 16 cars on one track while keeping the physics the same and having great graphics as well :)

Maybe that's why the AI just seems to follow the racing line and not pay much attention to anything else. I can only assume that if you have more complex AI, you'll have to decrease the maximum cars on track.

[IJTF_Cinder]

doesn't matter if forza is smarter the prettier one always wins. Have you ever seen a dude pick a smart ugly girl over a dumb as bricks pretty girl? It's the same with video games. People who don't care about how well a game works will only go for the pretty ones that look real.

I pick both in my women! Buy both!

[billybob2010]

I have both, like them both, and wish the sellers would **** off

[ku16610]

Wtd , were being invaded by spam bots :(

[billysastard]

Wtd , were being invaded by spam bots :(

i've just killed off (and removed their posts) a whole load of spam, and all the mods / admin are doing it too as soon as they see it but sadly no one knows when the spam posts will hit so its just a matter of waiting for the cleanup crew to arrive.

hopefully there will be some downtime next weekend then the spammers will be locked out again.

[ku16610]

Ahh, well its good to know you guys are on top of it :)

[iTz FiNaL]

Forza 3 still looks great, the video compared a level surrounded in mountains to one which was very bright and open.

It isn't all about graphics, from the video it seems that Forza has the better AI but I am sure GT 5 doesn't do that every single time.

[Z3R0B4NG]

yeah the damage on the BMW that just had a frontal collision with the drivers car REALY looks amazing....

plop, nothing.


...let's try that again:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcUcHI5v6Nc

[ok123]

Maybe that's why the AI just seems to follow the racing line and not pay much attention to anything else. I can only assume that if you have more complex AI, you'll have to decrease the maximum cars on track.
More complex AI does indeed require more CPU power, that is true. The AI in GT5 does pay attention to other things as well than just follow a specific racing line though. The cars will drive past you if you drive to slow, they wont always ram you because you are in "their racing line", so i think that there are some awareness to the AI in GT5. I havnt really tried Forza 3, so i cant really compare the AI that much between GT5 and Forza 3 besides from what i see in this video above here. But i am still impressived with 16 cars at the screen at the same with those graphics :)

[tommo120]

More complex AI does indeed require more CPU power, that is true. The AI in GT5 does pay attention to other things as well than just follow a specific racing line though. The cars will drive past you if you drive to slow, they wont always ram you because you are in "their racing line", so i think that there are some awareness to the AI in GT5. I havnt really tried Forza 3, so i cant really compare the AI that much between GT5 and Forza 3 besides from what i see in this video above here.

Well as someone who has played Forza 3 and not GT5, I can say that the Forza AI seems reasonably interactive in the sense that if you start driving quite aggressively and ramming them off the road they usually seem to display some sort of aggression back. To be honest though, I think the best AI I've seen is probably on Grid. Not because they were clever or anything like that but because they had a tendency to actually make mistakes. Nothing more awesome then driving amongst a bunch of cars when one of them makes a mistake in front of you and you have to start avoiding debris all over the road :p

All this talk of racing games has given me the urge to go on forza :D

[ThreeDog]

I think both games look great, GT has the detail while Forza has the moodier environments.

The AI in GT5 is pretty aggressive, while i was playing with the go-karts i kept spinning out (learning) and the other karts wouldn't avoid you they'd just keep smacking into your kart, while you're racing in close proximity to them they'll just pilot into the back of you and bump you from the sides...

The AI does need some work but as far as it goes it's not a bad game and the karting is actually a great addition to it.

[ok123]

Well as someone who has played Forza 3 and not GT5, I can say that the Forza AI seems reasonably interactive in the sense that if you start driving quite aggressively and ramming them off the road they usually seem to display some sort of aggression back.
That sounds cool :)



To be honest though, I think the best AI I've seen is probably on Grid. Not because they were clever or anything like that but because they had a tendency to actually make mistakes. Nothing more awesome then driving amongst a bunch of cars when one of them makes a mistake in front of you and you have to start avoiding debris all over the road :p
This made me think about something. In the B-Spec mode in GT5 the AI actually does mistakes. It is not possible to drive yourself in the B-Spec mode (you are training a AI driver and you can give him commands while racing), but all is in-engine and in realtime just like if you are driving yourself. So i dont know why this type of AI isnt present in the A-Spec mode as well. Well, maybe it is in the later races, but i havnt seen it myself so far at least. Maybe it has something to do with memory limits or something (like head tracking in GT5 only works in the Arcade mode due to memory limits), but i have no idea.



All this talk of racing games has given me the urge to go on forza :D
Hehe, i know exactly how you mean :)



I think both games look great, GT has the detail while Forza has the moodier environments.

The AI in GT5 is pretty aggressive, while i was playing with the go-karts i kept spinning out (learning) and the other karts wouldn't avoid you they'd just keep smacking into your kart, while you're racing in close proximity to them they'll just pilot into the back of you and bump you from the sides...

The AI does need some work but as far as it goes it's not a bad game and the karting is actually a great addition to it.
Ye, it seems that the AI in GT5 isnt that good at avoiding you all the time, especially when you are standing still or are driving really slow. It might get improved, but we will see what happends :) I agree that the Go Karts can be fun to race =)

[caferacerred]

Why doesn't he park the cars in the same place w/ the same camera angle on the same track? Nice try M$ fanboy, keep trying!!

[danight]

http://www.maxconsole.net/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by tommo120 http://www.maxconsole.net/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.maxconsole.net/showthread.php?p=1280839#post1280839)
All this talk of racing games has given me the urge to go on forza :D
Hehe, i know exactly how you mean :)



Now you see why i said all press is good press. Even ragging on gt 5 will help its sales. The more people talk about anything the more other people will wanna play it or something like it.

[Xenogears V]

AHAHHA and where is Ai?, only when avoid the car?. HAHAHAHA. The real Ai for cars is when opposed to overtaking and so far I have NEVER seen any driving game to do this.

[ThreeDog]

I agree that the Go Karts can be fun to race =)
I think they could probably get another game out of it, maybe with trikes and quads to go with it.. offer more serious track racing as well as off-road and stunt arenas..

I don't know how many people would buy something like that but it'd probably beat THQs ATV offerings by miles and id be at the front of the queue.

(sorry for any mistakes this touch screen ain't easy.

[ok123]

Why doesn't he park the cars in the same place w/ the same camera angle on the same track? Nice try M$ fanboy, keep trying!!
That is a good point, i am curious how Forza 3's AI would handle if the car was standing right infront of a turn. But that said, i can confirm that the cars in GT5 will sometimes hit you if you stand still. I dont think that is any big problem though since you will do a lot more driving compared to standing still :)



Now you see why i said all press is good press. Even ragging on gt 5 will help its sales. The more people talk about anything the more other people will wanna play it or something like it.
Yep, as long as it is not pretty much only negative stuff :) If there is a lot of negative stuff surrounding a game, i can see if some people wants to avoid the game, beliving that the game overall is poor/bad. But if there is also much positive stuff about the game, hopefully people will see the positive things too and then the bad stuff probably wont hurt a game that much in the bigger picture indeed, i agree :)



I think they could probably get another game out of it, maybe with trikes and quads to go with it.. offer more serious track racing as well as off-road and stunt arenas..

I don't know how many people would buy something like that but it'd probably beat THQs ATV offerings by miles and id be at the front of the queue.

(sorry for any mistakes this touch screen ain't easy.
Sounds like some cool ideas :) Perhaps something for future updates of GT5 or perhaps even GT6? =)

[tommo120]

That is a good point, i am curious how Forza 3's AI would handle if the car was standing right infront of a turn. But that said, i can confirm that the cars in GT5 will sometimes hit you if you stand still. I dont think that is any big problem though since you will do a lot more driving compared to standing still :)

Ok, I was curious about parking before and after corners on Forza 3 and I can confirm that the AI do pretty much the same as what happened on GT5. It was pretty funny actually, I got smacked by 2 cars and then an Alfa managed to stop right in front of me and got shunted by some other car from behind. They all just seem to sit there too, making no attempt to reverse.

So yeah, this video is quite unfair really, AI in both games is pretty crap at avoiding you on sharp-ish corners. But as ok123 said, its a racing game and there aren't many situations where you're sat parked on a corner :P

[GT-RRR]

Yea that's right, put it riiiight before a sharp corner, where-as Forza is a straight road (as you can see they just speed up).

Nice try idiots.