Article: Anonymous denies PSN security attacks despite Sony claims

[Zeus]

You can view the page at http://www.maxconsole.net/content.php?45863-Anonymous-denies-PSN-security-attacks-despite-Sony-claims

[Asgaro]

"So since he did it without our knowledge, we couldn't do anything about it."

Who is "our"?

He says that everyone can be Anonymous and they have stated there is no leadership involved. But still you seem to have to be approved by some guys. lolwut

[danight]

from what i gather... all actions get voted on by who ever is in irc when the planning goes on.

if someone just claimed the name, then they have no idea it was happening nor did he win a vote to allow it or deny it.
Then im not sure actually what happens next. Some failed votes may go to sub groups? Not fully supported by all members but still dine under traditional anon ways. But the sub group still answers to the main group.

While there is no 1 leader, the group collectively makes the calls. Im sure alot of anons have ps3 and probably wouldn't agree to a action like that. But i dunno.

so im guessing by "our" they mean the normal collective that votes for actions.

[Nicotine]

it's funny.

i believe their press statement, while laughing at sony's they released.

it's interesting how a group of anonymous people is more trust worthy than a company i have supported for many years.

makes ya think.

[Almighty_Peanut]

makes ya think.

that's exactly what sony doesn't want! it's users to become self-aware!

[DEDDOA]

To be honest I think they are entitled to the benefit of the doubt given so far they have stayed true to their word unlike Sony who have lied and tried to place the blame on others from the get go then still want you to believe waht they have to say, when all it sounds like is another atempt to pass the buck.

[winterborn25]

its all these douchebags fault to begin with... if they wouldnt have started there crap others wouldnt have stamped there name as anon... so it is there fault too bad :mad:

[ThreeDog]

its all these douchebags fault to begin with... if they wouldnt have started there crap others wouldnt have stamped there name as anon... so it is there fault too bad :mad:
Lets make this clear, This would have happened anonymous or no anonymous.
http://www.strategyinformer.com/news/12206/sony-we-knew-about-psn-security-flaws
Sony played a dangerous game and lost.

[winterborn25]

then how come it took nearly 5 yrs?? obviously nobody had the balls to do anything until anon came around... and thats my point

[ThreeDog]

then how come it took nearly 5 yrs?? obviously nobody had the balls to do anything until anon came around... and thats my point
It happens.. I mean look at http://dcemu.co.uk/ LOL

[moose94]

Anonymous claims not to have been responsible for credit card theft on the Sony Servers, however that does not mean that Anonymous did not drop a note exposing a point of vulnerability and to make a threat. Anonymous have only claimed not to be responsible for the data breach. Anonymous never denied gaining access Sony servers, and if they did gain access they may be considered as guilty as any other hacker as access to information may have been possible.


I am also anger for the lack of information from Sony, however with all legal matters, silence is significant.

[danight]

then how come it took nearly 5 yrs?? obviously nobody had the balls to do anything until anon came around... and thats my point

Sony just went to war with hackers the past year or so. Really going after them in the last few months. Before that sony just threatened to go after people but never actually did it.
Now timing does see to fit what you saying, it wasnt like sony was making any friends by each passing day with hackers.
So perfect timing or just that time when the war was reaching its highest point.

Either way anon is gonna be investigated. But if it was not the core group that did it. Say the person who did do it never met the others or even went into the irc room. Then even though its anon they are watching or targeting for investigation they may know nothing at all.

Just seems odd that anon says they didnt do it. its not their style and they dont support this kinda stuff that hurts people.
Then reports come in saying the hacker is trying to sell the stolen info.

Annon bragged and made videos about the other stuff, yet right off the bat they claim "they didnt know about it or do it". Now 1 of the biggest cyber leaks ever could trust them to legendary history making hacker status if they took the credit. Yet once again they say they didnt.

In the westborrow baptist church stuff. The church like sony blamed anon. Anon said they had nothing to do with it. Then a rep from anon and the church had 2 reps on a web show and the talked about it and anon still claimed not to do it. Then they even hacked 1 of their webpages to show they could have. He took credit for that. But all the time saying they had nothing to do with the other attacks.

Im try and find the video link on utube. its funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZJwSjor4hM

[iLLNESS]

as mentioned before, anon owns up to the **** they do.

[Khameleon]

this just in: your name is anonymous and you're supposedly not a group.

1. Sony doesn't know specifically who did it
2. They didn't own up to it
3. They are an anonymous person
Therefore.....

[danight]

they are aliens from another planet sent here to take us over :confused:

[ThreeDog]

Im try and find the video link on utube. its funny.
She was a fame whore and a half.. camwhores are less desperate for attention than her LOL


as mentioned before, anon owns up to the **** they do.
Actually they usually blame ebaumsworld if we're perfectly honest LOL

[put4558350]

Well. as you might know.

This Anonymous using low-low-brain DDOS. when That Anonymous is a real hacker hack things using brain.

[Almighty_Peanut]

Sony just went to war with hackers the past year or so. Really going after them in the last few months. Before that sony just threatened to go after people but never actually did it.
Now timing does see to fit what you saying, it wasnt like sony was making any friends by each passing day with hackers.
So perfect timing or just that time when the war was reaching its highest point.

Either way anon is gonna be investigated. But if it was not the core group that did it. Say the person who did do it never met the others or even went into the irc room. Then even though its anon they are watching or targeting for investigation they may know nothing at all.

Just seems odd that anon says they didnt do it. its not their style and they dont support this kinda stuff that hurts people.
Then reports come in saying the hacker is trying to sell the stolen info.

Annon bragged and made videos about the other stuff, yet right off the bat they claim "they didnt know about it or do it". Now 1 of the biggest cyber leaks ever could trust them to legendary history making hacker status if they took the credit. Yet once again they say they didnt.

In the westborrow baptist church stuff. The church like sony blamed anon. Anon said they had nothing to do with it. Then a rep from anon and the church had 2 reps on a web show and the talked about it and anon still claimed not to do it. Then they even hacked 1 of their webpages to show they could have. He took credit for that. But all the time saying they had nothing to do with the other attacks.

Im try and find the video link on utube. its funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZJwSjor4hM

is it wrong that i'm somewhat turned on by that woman (as long as i mute the video)?

[JonathanD]

Who hacked Sony? It's like playing where's Waldo...

Was it an inside job by angry ex employee's? High level of possibility with a double motive both for revenge and the cash from all those juicy credit cards...

Was it Anon? Possible since anyone can be Anon and some of them are pretty good hackers. The money is again a motive but I will hold off on saying revenge since they have already been doing a lot of very public damage to Sony.

Was it a private hacker who just got lucky and hacked into Sony's equipment on a random fishing trip and struck gold? Maybe Sony has a bad record when it comes to security these days.

[AcCeSsDeNiEd]

Timing was perfect for another party with criminal intends to come in and steal the user and credit info. And then put the blame on Anon.

Nobody is stupid enough to put their name on the vault after breaking in and stealing stuff.

All anon could do was DOS, they suck like script kiddies.
The real bad people have landed.

And btw, Sony sucks too

[winterborn25]

Timing was perfect for another party with criminal intends to come in and steal the user and credit info. And then put the blame on Anon.

Nobody is stupid enough to put their name on the vault after breaking in and stealing stuff.

All anon could do was DOS, they suck like script kiddies.
The real bad people have landed.

And btw, Sony sucks too
exactly my point... if anon would have just stopped the bs maybe this would have never occurred... you can blame sony if you like but they were protecting there investment and now its just all gone to far with ruining ppls lives with fraud etc... im pissed either way

[Almighty_Peanut]

exactly my point... if anon would have just stopped the bs maybe this would have never occurred... you can blame sony if you like but they were protecting there investment and now its just all gone to far with ruining ppls lives with fraud etc... im pissed either way

they DID stop

[someoldguy]

Well. as you might know.

This Anonymous using low-low-brain DDOS. when That Anonymous is a real hacker hack things using brain.

Lol. Are you using brain right now?

[winterborn25]

they DID stop
they started the whole damn thing... it was there fault that this has even occurred... like stated now there going to be the scapegoat for everything now and the consumer suffers yet once again

[bennyb]

love those anonamous videos is there loads might chek utube

[iLLNESS]

they started the whole damn thing... it was there fault that this has even occurred... like stated now there going to be the scapegoat for everything now and the consumer suffers yet once again

thats the most retarded way of looking at it. thats like saying that if someone broke a window, they are the ones who are responsible when some fucktard goes in after and robs the place

[Battlefield]

Its nearly friday, and PSN is still offline. Sony said next week on sunday, but still nothing.
I'm not surprised at all if it was just another lie, and it takes whole summer to get it online.

[Hamsterman-SWE]

Its nearly friday, and PSN is still offline. Sony said next week on sunday, but still nothing.
I'm not surprised at all if it was just another lie, and it takes whole summer to get it online.

I think they said early next week, when they stated on sunday. Some rumours is floating around that japan is online, but I take it with a truck load of salt.

[Cantenna]

Wouldnt be very anonymous if they owned up to it!

[winterborn25]

thats the most retarded way of looking at it. thats like saying that if someone broke a window, they are the ones who are responsible when some fucktard goes in after and robs the place
guess what though thats the truth... because we arent gonna believe them or know whats true anymore.. its just 1 big mess plain and simple... im trying to organize a trip with my gf with some friends on PSN and this has fucked up everything

[patstevens]

guess what though thats the truth... because we arent gonna believe them or know whats true anymore.. its just 1 big mess plain and simple... im trying to organize a trip with my gf with some friends on PSN and this has fucked up everything

might as well blame bill clinton then, if he hadn't passed the DMCA then sony wouldn't have sued the hackers under that law and then no one would have hacked psn using your logic. or maybe you should blame yourself, if you hadn't gotten a ps3 then you woudlnt have gotten your psn acccount hacked and not been in this position.

thats like your dad going out for milk, getting killed by a drunk driver and blaming your mom for asking him to pick up the milk or your brother for drinking the rest of the milk, if she hadn't asked him for the milk, he woudlnt have gotten hit by the drunk driver.
or if the brother hadn't drank it all, then she wouldn't have asked him to pick it up and he wouldn't have gotten hit by the drunk driver. sheesh, maybe the drunk driver is the one to blame?? you think???

[danight]

is it wrong that i'm somewhat turned on by that woman (as long as i mute the video)?


SOOO WRONG...on so many levels!!!!

[danight]

Wouldnt be very anonymous if they owned up to it!

But they owned up to the dos attack and the protest rally...

[msanchez]

Wouldnt be very anonymous if they owned up to it!

Do you even know of Anonymous? or did you just find out about them when they attacked sony? They not only own up to what they do, they give forewarning they are going to do it.


guess what though thats the truth... because we arent gonna believe them or know whats true anymore.. its just 1 big mess plain and simple... im trying to organize a trip with my gf with some friends on PSN and this has fucked up everything

That's what YOU believe is the truth. The problem here is that given sony's track record of not taking responsibility for their screwups, trying to cover up their screwups, and just blatantly lying about anything, it's much easier to believe Anonymos than to believe them. Remember, Anonymous has nothing to lose by admiting if they did it or not, first off nobody knows who they are... so why would they need to hide? The ones that are known are sony, and they are the ones that stand to lose a lot from this.

Some of you need to realize before you accuse Anonymous just what they've done in the past, because your accusations and their usual goals/way of doing things are completely at odds... so care to explain why they would change their ways now when they dealt with sony?

[kyjoe9]

These guys have f*cked enough people over. THEY need to pay for hacking comapnys info! Prepare to burn neckbeards! Keep hiding in your mothers basement!

[Attitude]

Jesus i really dont care who hacked the damn servers now, blame whoever they want for me just fix the damn thing and get it back up and running. And the reason i want it back up and running is to see if they actually accomplish what they say this time and make the damn servers secure.
As much as i hope they catch the people/person responsible ill take the other view of they pretty much did us all a favour by showing how fragile the supposed "unhackable ps3/psn" really was.

[Hamsterman-SWE]

These guys have f*cked enough people over. THEY need to pay for hacking comapnys info! Prepare to burn neckbeards! Keep hiding in your mothers basement!

well I guess you can blame them when they clearly walked the road that was wide open as a hooker. DERP DERP.:rolleyes:

[ThreeDog]

And the reason i want it back up and running is to see if they actually accomplish what they say this time and make the damn servers secure.
How do you do that without attempting to hack them? maybe it was you!

@Hamsterman-SWE that's really quite obscene (edited: I know!)

[Hamsterman-SWE]

How do you do that without attempting to hack them? maybe it was you!

@Hamsterman-SWE that's really quite obscene

it was just a metaphore. sorry for offending anyone.:rolleyes:

[Xenogears V]

I don't think hacker or tema Anonymous is so stupid to do this:


a file of our Sony Online Entertainment servers named “Anonymous” with the words “We are Legion.

[jase1]

I love these statements, pay attention to the words that are used.


@TheHackersNews has the evidence that the hacker who is responsible for the hack is not affiliated with Anonymous : AnonOps and is not from our IRC. He is from another place/server (IRC) and he carried out the attack independently.

As we all know anyone can be anonymous, he claimed to be anonymous and carried out his business in the name of anonymous. So since he did it without our knowledge, we couldn't do anything about it.

Sony says: 'it found a file named “Anonymous” on one of its servers with the words “We are Legion” attached to it'

Anonymous says: some other guy "carried out his business in the name of anonymous."

They have just corroborated what Sony had said.

[Darius_Mason]

Aah, how I enjoy not caring about these things. I'd rather play my epic PS3 games than anything else, too bad many of you won't lol because of this.

[msanchez]

Aah, how I enjoy not caring about these things. I'd rather play my epic PS3 games than anything else, too bad many of you won't lol because of this.

ermm... huh?

[danight]

Aah, how I enjoy not caring about these things. I'd rather play my epic PS3 games than anything else, too bad many of you won't lol because of this.

would you be referring to unreal tournament 3 :confused:

[jku2]

Liars, Anonymous did it for sure, they already found prove that Anons did it. Regardless of who did it, these hackers can never be trusted. Anyone who supports this are only asking for it.

[roliver779]

These are the gayest people I have ever seen. Also, in order to have a press release, you need to have news. This is not news, as nobody cares. Hackers care. The general public does not care.

If hackers devoted thier time to helping the world, maybe we could solve most of the world's problems. Sony is not a problem. If you don't like how they do business, don't give them your business.

Grow up.
Get help.
Get a life.
Get a woman.
Get laid.
Find out there is more to life.

[msanchez]

These are the gayest people I have ever seen. Also, in order to have a press release, you need to have news. This is not news, as nobody cares. Hackers care. The general public does not care.

If hackers devoted thier time to helping the world, maybe we could solve most of the world's problems. Sony is not a problem. If you don't like how they do business, don't give them your business.

Grow up.
Get help.
Get a life.
Get a woman.
Get laid.
Find out there is more to life.

I find this type of defense so funny. This is not news? nobody cares? well you obviously care since you bothered to post. Get a life? get laid?, find out there is more to life? I've never met anyone who's said any of those things that shouldn't be more concerned about himself than of what others are doing/saying... not to mention they are the ones that usually take things more seriously than everyone else. Of course worrying about such the PSN hacks isn't a bad thing, you would have to be pretty sheltered not to understand the repercussions identity theft can have on an individuals life.

Don't worry though, I'm fairly sure there will be a lot less b*tching about sony in the next gen... at that time there will probably only be ridiculing of those who insist on getting shafted by sony.

[DEDDOA]

I love these statements, pay attention to the words that are used.



Sony says: 'it found a file named “Anonymous” on one of its servers with the words “We are Legion” attached to it'

Anonymous says: some other guy "carried out his business in the name of anonymous."

They have just corroborated what Sony had said.

By that logic, I just ate a Sandwich in the name of Anonymous, therefore Anonymous ate my sandwich the bastiches, doing somthing in the name of another doesn't mean a thing other than that person or people are using it as an excuse, justification or a convenient way to pass the buck.

I bet the american public must be kicking themselves over the death of Osama Bin Laden as afterall while his actions may havebeen responsible for all that death and destruction, it was actually god that did it all as it was done in gods name :rolleyes:

[DEDDOA]

These are the gayest people I have ever seen. Also, in order to have a press release, you need to have news. This is not news, as nobody cares. Hackers care. The general public does not care.

If hackers devoted thier time to helping the world, maybe we could solve most of the world's problems. Sony is not a problem. If you don't like how they do business, don't give them your business.

Grow up.
Get help.
Get a life.
Get a woman.
Get laid.
Find out there is more to life.

Lol way to miss the point, Sony is the problem in this case so no need to make excuses for them, if they had spent less time and money on lawyers and police raids, they could have have spent more time and money on securing the system, instead they chose to try to get their own back instead of fixing the problem first.

It happened due to Sony negligence, they had been proved to be vulnerable prior to this attack, they should have been in the very least securing the system and that being the case would have come accross this so called file shortly after Anon's attack. However they seem to have been sat on their big fat elbows believing that they were untouchable just because anon stopped their attack.

I know this much, if someone got into my house and trashed it, first thing I would do is change my locks and replace my alarm system, not just carry on as before assuming that the culprits left so the house must now be safe.

Simply put, Sony got sloppy and tried to hide fact, and now PSN users have had to pay for their negligence and atempt to cover it up for the first week.

[roliver779]

Lol way to miss the point, Sony is the problem in this case so no need to make excuses for them, if they had spent less time and money on lawyers and police raids, they could have have spent more time and money on securing the system, instead they chose to try to get their own back instead of fixing the problem first.

It happened due to Sony negligence, they had been proved to be vulnerable prior to this attack, they should have been in the very least securing the system and that being the case would have come accross this so called file shortly after Anon's attack. However they seem to have been sat on their big fat elbows believing that they were untouchable just because anon stopped their attack.

I know this much, if someone got into my house and trashed it, first thing I would do is change my locks and replace my alarm system, not just carry on as before assuming that the culprits left so the house must now be safe.

Simply put, Sony got sloppy and tried to hide fact, and now PSN users have had to pay for their negligence and atempt to cover it up for the first week.

No, it's not missing the point. These are the people you look up to? Wierdos who say things like: "We are legion". C'mon, we are all better than this. These guys aren't freedom fighters. They hide behind computers. If they are so valiant, why not show thier faces? Why not expose thier identities? They probably live in their parent's basements thinking they are heroes. They aren't heroes and I can't wait until they learn that.

We are all smarter than this and you deserve better taste.

[iLLNESS]

By that logic, I just ate a Sandwich in the name of Anonymous, therefore Anonymous ate my sandwich the bastiches, doing somthing in the name of another doesn't mean a thing other than that person or people are using it as an excuse, justification or a convenient way to pass the buck.

I bet the american public must be kicking themselves over the death of Osama Bin Laden as afterall while his actions may havebeen responsible for all that death and destruction, it was actually god that did it all as it was done in gods name :rolleyes:


BAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMM. some people just dont understand this whole responsibility thing. but your right, got was the one who killed osoma!

[DEDDOA]

People I look up to? Sorry to disappoint but I look up to noone, especially not internet nerds.

Yes youa re missing the point entirely, it's all very well blaming them and while yes they share the balme to a certain degree, it's still sonys sloppy handling of the whole affair from their sloppy server security to sloppy response to hackers to the sloppy lack of increased security after the anon attack to the total lack of disreguard for customers after this recent attack.

I couldn't give a rats arse about anonymous but I do care when a big company is more concerned about shareholders than paying customers and that is exacty what has happened here, they skimped on security, intead of increasing security to protect customers, they went on a war against hackers to make shareholders happy, then when they get their arses handed them by an anonymous hacker (and I use that inthe case that noone knows who did it sense), they spent 10 days trying to cover things up to save face and protect shareholders instead of protecting customers (yes my email off them is dated 27th April and they say in that email they discovered the probelm on 17th of April, so had I not been visiting sites like this I would be int he dark for 10 days).

You may be tryinf to divert the attention of where the blame squarely lies, the aresholes who hacked Sony (and yes they are arseholes, they did it for personal gain unless sonys claim that they tried to sell themt he credit card database is another one of their atempts to pass the buck and at this point it wouldn't suprise me) only set things in motion that made this all public, Sonys handling of the whole affair since the first PS3 hack has been the real issue.

All i can say is that this gen Sony has had a major learning process, if they can't get their act together for the PS4 then they deserve to have the brand die on them. I just hope they learn from all these mistakes and don't go into another gen assuming because they got lucky with the PS1 and 2 that they can do no wrong.

[CZroe]

Wow. All these posts and not one of you even mentioned Gawker?! Well, I searched each page but didn't read, assuming you guys know how to spell it and I didn't make a typo...

Anyway, they "hurt" the users of Gawker (namely, us) by not only accessing the personal details but by then turning around and releasing it. Unlike their attack on Gawker, these details have not been made public, though they may still be used for nefarious purposes or sold on the black market. This logic doesn't make sense. They "never" hurt the users so it could not have been them when they DID, in fact, hurt users far worse in the last high-profile hack. My brother's email, username, and password was in plain-text floating around the webernetz. My email and username was and my password was easily crackable up to the first several characters. What they did directly harmed many people.

Heck, if I ever got into a beef with someone and felt I wanted to exact digital revenge, I'd be strongly tempted to look it up and see if they were one of the millions to post on a Gawker website (Kotaku, Gizmodo, etc) and then see if I could use their password to access other sites and services that they use. It's worse than the PSN details because they were actually made public.

Good job, Anonymous.

[jase1]

By that logic, I just ate a Sandwich in the name of Anonymous, therefore Anonymous ate my sandwich the bastiches, doing somthing in the name of another doesn't mean a thing other than that person or people are using it as an excuse, justification or a convenient way to pass the buck.

I bet the american public must be kicking themselves over the death of Osama Bin Laden as afterall while his actions may havebeen responsible for all that death and destruction, it was actually god that did it all as it was done in gods name :rolleyes:

You are getting caught up in they did it no they never nonsense, I'm not talking about that and you need to pay attention or close your mouth, please pay attention....Sony said Anonymous done it (I don't think this for 1 sec), but Anonymous said someone else used their name to do it, therefore we can assumed that someone used the name Anonymous to hack Sony, is this correct? What does Sony see? they see a person using the name Anonymous to hack them and they reported this. Is this too confusing for you?

Lastly I don't know where you're going with your Osama Bin Laden remarks, it is clear to me that you don't actually read but react to what you think may have been said, why are you telling me this about Osama Bin Laden? my only point about Osama Bin Laden is that if you believe the story of his capture and disposal at sea, that's on you. Keeping in mind that the original story they've told has already completely changed.

You don't know what I think because I haven't told you, simple.

[DEDDOA]

You are getting caught up in they did it no they never nonsense, I'm not talking about that and you need to pay attention or close your mouth, please pay attention....Sony said Anonymous done it (I don't think this for 1 sec), but Anonymous said someone else used their name to do it, therefore we can assumed that someone used the name Anonymous to hack Sony, is this correct? What does Sony see? they see a person using the name Anonymous to hack them and they reported this. Is this too confusing for you?

Lastly I don't know where you're going with your Osama Bin Laden remarks, it is clear to me that you don't actually read but react to what you think may have been said, why are you telling me this about Osama Bin Laden? my only point about Osama Bin Laden is that if you believe the story of his capture and disposal at sea, that's on you. Keeping in mind that the original story they've told has already completely changed.

You don't know what I think because I haven't told you, simple.

Then maybe in future you should be more forthcoming with exactly what you mean as what you wrote read nothing at all like how you have expalined it there. I for one could just say somthing like "I hate blacks", most would assume that was racism and rightly so as I have not explained that I infact hate blacks the fishmongers by my aunts old house as the place stinks to high heaven. If you don't explain yourself then your comments are going to be open to interpretation. You said and I quote

Sony says: 'it found a file named “Anonymous” on one of its servers with the words “We are Legion” attached to it'

Anonymous says: some other guy "carried out his business in the name of anonymous."

They have just corroborated what Sony had said.

thats sounds an aweful lot to me like you just said they confirmed what sony has said when to me it reads like they said someone just did it and used them as an excuse for their actions at least in name.

Don't whine that you have been misinterpreted if you don't explain what you mean, maybe you ought to take some of your own advice as I was ripping the piss out of your statement by saying Osama Bin laden was not to blame when infact it was god, so the american public must be gutted they got the wrong person, going by what you previously wrote.

Don't complain if you can't explain yourself and are misinterpreted, and even more importantly, don't then put somthing in bold criticising others then go ahead and do exactly the same :p

[Attitude]

to lighten the mood, Sony roll out their new defence against further attacks by ANON.

http://i780.photobucket.com/albums/yy81/Kail1967/sackboys-revenge.jpg

[msanchez]

to lighten the mood, Sony roll out their new defence against further attacks by ANON.



That is kinda funny... wonder if somebody will make a Anonymous sackboy? That would truly be LOL!

[BloodShed]

Liars, Anonymous did it for sure, they already found prove that Anons did it.It never crossed your mind that someone would plant a file deliberately to confuse an investigation?


Regardless, I do suspect "Anonymous" did it; but not in the way most people think.

Anonymous has no leader, they have no voting system, they have no "group". They're not even hackers. It is literally a bunch of anonymous visitors to a website. Sometimes they group together for unorganized raids on people or places for fun. In rare instances, there are contributors that actually know something about hacking. No one is in control. More importantly, no one is even aware of what each "member" is doing. They don't even know who anyone is.

These public statements from so-called "Anonymous" are:

A joke.
Likely made by multiple independent people.
Speaking only on that individual's behalf and not for the "group".

[jase1]

Then maybe in future you should be more forthcoming with exactly what you mean as what you wrote read nothing at all like how you have expalined it there. I for one could just say somthing like "I hate blacks", most would assume that was racism and rightly so as I have not explained that I infact hate blacks the fishmongers by my aunts old house as the place stinks to high heaven. If you don't explain yourself then your comments are going to be open to interpretation. You said and I quote

Sony says: 'it found a file named “Anonymous” on one of its servers with the words “We are Legion” attached to it'

Anonymous says: some other guy "carried out his business in the name of anonymous."

They have just corroborated what Sony had said.

thats sounds an aweful lot to me like you just said they confirmed what sony has said when to me it reads like they said someone just did it and used them as an excuse for their actions at least in name.

Don't whine that you have been misinterpreted if you don't explain what you mean, maybe you ought to take some of your own advice as I was ripping the piss out of your statement by saying Osama Bin laden was not to blame when infact it was god, so the american public must be gutted they got the wrong person, going by what you previously wrote.

Don't complain if you can't explain yourself and are misinterpreted, and even more importantly, don't then put somthing in bold criticising others then go ahead and do exactly the same :p
In all my previous posts about Anonymous I have constantly said, it's not about whether they did it or not", but they will be used as the new bogeyman.

You could say I was misinterpreted.... only by you btw I might add, or maybe you should seek clarification before jumping in, which do you think is the better thing to do?

Your whole post is to blame me...for your confusion, no chance buddy that's on you :p

BTW I still don't understand your Bin-Laden analogy, it doesn't make sense :p:p

Your comment "I hate blacks" but its really a "fishmongers" is a stupid story and lost on me, but I'll you something very real, I suspect all white people of being racists unless proved otherwise, already I'm suspected of being a mugger etc etc. so yeah...I expect those stupid stories, why tell me? :p:p:p

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In all my previous posts about Anonymous I have constantly said, it's not about whether they did it or not", but they will be used as the new bogeyman.

You could say I was misinterpreted.... only by you btw I might add, or maybe you should seek clarification before jumping in, which do you think is the better thing to do?

Your whole post is to blame me...for your confusion, no chance buddy that's on you :p

BTW I still don't understand your Bin-Laden analogy, it doesn't make sense :p:p

Your comment "I hate blacks" but its really a "fishmongers" is a stupid story and lost on me, but I'll you something very real, I suspect all white people of being racists unless proved otherwise, already I'm suspected of being a mugger etc etc. so yeah...I expect those stupid stories, why tell me? :p:p:p

Yada yada, so everyone who replies or comments on someone elses comments should ask for clarification on exactly what they mean, and they should not pay attention to how they clarify in a follow up post as that may indeed make the clarification require clarification.

I take it the whole point was lost on you then, if you don't explain yourself then expect to be open to interpretation on exactly what you do say, my example being lost on you kind of proves you don't understand that either.

And that final point, oh dear, how bout if I say my sister is a fan of biology, then as you seem to be one of those sad cases who is overly defensive on skin colour even tho it has no relevance to the matter at hand beyond my example of how lack of explnation can lead to misinterpretation, you may think she is a fan of the science biology and not the odds and ends shop with the same name that I am infact refering to.

Don't make excuses, if you are misinterpreted a simple reply that explains what you need to say to clarify your staement is easy enough, getting all defensive as you don't want to seen as wrong in any way, and then showing a further lack of understanding of a simple principle is not a good way to reply.

Simply put, if you are missinterpreted, clarify if yiou care about responses, if you are not missintrpreted and don't like critical comments, either ignore it or at least think through your reply and don't further muddle things by half reading and then commenting on the small bit you spotted at a glance out of context.

as you put it in your PM, how do you like those apples?