Article: Sony: We embrace hackers, but not pirates

[Zeus]

You can view the page at http://www.maxconsole.net/content.php?46058-Sony-We-embrace-hackers-but-not-pirates

[danight]

What a bunch of crap.


Some hackers say Sony wants to deter customers from modifying the PlayStation3. Is that true?
No, there’s a real misnomer there, we embrace independent game development; if you call that hacking, then we embrace that.

wtf kinda answer is that? Ummm what modifying of the ps3 have to do with indi game development?



What are you doing to protect customers after the wave of recent attacks?
We have assigned a new position of chief information security officer.

he is off to a good start...only been hacked 6 times since they hired him :rolleyes:


Do you know who attacked Sony (http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/08/new-questions-as-sony-is-hacked-again/)?
No. We still have no insights into who attacked us.

at least they stopped blaming anon and trying to use them as scapegoats, when all the proof the had as a txt that was ment to be found.

trenton is a goofball. Ask him where he was the past 2 months? Or was Kaz the only exec working then?

[Hamsterman-SWE]

Lol that answers why they sued geohot even if he didn't pirated the ps3 softwares, Sony is full of **** and the turns out that the turd mountain can be seen from all over the world.

[danight]

true that. Whats funny is geohot was trying to bring a feature back they took. Sony has a funny way of supporting those hackers.

[tech3475]

Am I the only one who went wtf when reading this?

Iirc Geohots hacks never directly allowed for piracy, in fact Sony did more to destroy "hackers" by removing oos since to develop games through official channels you have to go through the hassle of becoming a licensed Dev and buying a Dev kit even before starting.

With oos or jb/Cfw any Tom, **** or Harry with the skills can develop software.

edit:

Does the site auto-censor or did someone actually edit my post? Because (alternative word for penis) is a very common nickname for Richard and the saying is quite common.

[danight]

Whats funny is that there has always been hackers in gaming. Forever. Leave to to sony to goto war with them and piss off hackers not even in gaming and bringing them all into the gaming world. These hackers probably would never even attacked any gaming stuff had it not been for sony! Im sure everyone noticed they all seem to target sony first!

[urmaster]

FCK off Sony, nobody believes this for a second.

[Cyber Akuma]

Bull ****. Why did the raid the house of a hacker who was only trying to get Linux back, a feature you removed, twice and are still suing him then? Here is what one hacker had to say bout this:
Originally Posted by KaKaRoTo Hi, I have just read your one-on-one interview with Jack Tretton at One on One: Jack Tretton, Sony C.E.O. America - NYTimes.com (http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/13/one-on-one-jack-tretton-sony-c-e-o-america/) And I'm shocked and infuriated at his answer to your third question : ------- Some hackers say Sony wants to deter customers from modifying the PlayStation3. Is that true? No, there’s a real misnomer there, we embrace independent game development; if you call that hacking, then we embrace that. We give people tools that let them create new experiences. What I don’t think we are in support of is someone trying to hack our device to pirate software and possibly collapse the platform. ------- This is a complete lie, and Mr. Tretton is being dishonest with you and with your readers. The world needs to know the truth: Sony has been hard at work to prevent customers from modifying their rightfully owned Playstation 3 system and this has absolutely nothing to do with piracy. It is almost a similar situation to the lawsuit from Sony about AiboPet who wrote software to make the AIBO robot dog do tricks that weren't programmed in it initially. Was that about piracy or about control ? They sued George Hotz for opening up the console to homebrew while he expressly did not allow any piracy on his jailbreak (to this date, no one can pirate games using his jailbreak method). They also sued and raided Alexander Egorenkov's house twice and he is still being sued (no settlement with him) for the work that he has done, which had absolutely nothing to do with piracy, ALL his efforts were for the sole purpose of restoring Linux support to the PS3, which was an originally advertised and available feature of the PS3 and that Sony illegally removed from our device. He is being sued for writing patches to the Linux kernel and for writing drivers for Linux. Is that what Mr. Tretton calls "we embrace that" ? They have also been sending Cease and Desist letters and threats to anyone who has been involved with the PS3 hacking scene and homebrew (independent game) developers. Using those scare tactics to repress the community is not the best way to 'embrace' it. Also, it is not possible for any homebrew developer to create and develop for the PS3 without proper licensing from Sony, which requires them to buy a dev console for 10 000 or 25 000$. Sony are not embracing independent game development, on the contrary, they are the only ones out there who are not. While Apple has the App Store, Google has the Android Market and Microsoft has the XBox Live Indie Games program, Sony are the only ones who have not embraced the homebrew community and who are not allowing us to use our consoles the way we want to. In their lawsuit against George Hotz they had the audacity of saying that it is not our console, it is theirs, that we are merely 'renting' it from them, they own it even if we bought it, and that trying to access our machine is the equivalent of a cracker trying to hack into a 'third party, remote, secure computer'. I have started a few weeks ago a petition asking Sony to give us an official and legitimate way of developing and running homebrew games on the PS3, you can find it here : The Humble Homebrew Collection (http://humblehomebrew.com/). Many people are signing the petition, but the only answer we receive from Sony is an automated response message stating that "Our policy on this issue has not changed. We are therefore not in a position to fulfill your request.". Again, this is in contradiction with what Mr. Tretton said about "embracing independent game developers". It has to be known that this is also why they are getting targeted by all their hackers, it is because of how they are oppressing the developers of the world, how they sued George Hotz and how they sued and raided Alexander Egorenkov's house. But mostly, it is for how they abused the law and how they reacted during the lawsuit. And this is not only about saying that the machine that we bought and that we own is actually theirs, but also, for example, the fact that they sent subpoenas all over the place to get as much information about anyone and anything that dared look at the Playstation 3 the 'wrong way'. They tried to access everyone's twitter, youtube and paypal accounts. They wanted to get all the information on all the transactions on everyone connected to those transactions on the hacker's paypal accounts, whether it was relevant or not. They wanted to get the IP addresses (and thus, be able to identify and potentially sue) of every single person who watched a video on Youtube. They sent all of these subpoenas after the judge rejected them, hoping to still get some information before the judge notices, they also sent them without telling the subpoenaed parties that they have a right to quash. The Judge had to force the lawyers to contact every party and withdraw the illegally sent subpoenas. This is the reason that they are being hacked, it is because of how they abused the law, how they threatened everyone and because of the lawsuit that is still in progress against a security researcher and Linux developer. The hacker community is outraged at Sony's actions and this is how they are reacting, they are fighting against Sony's oppression of our rights to free speech and our right to our property. I believe that your readers have a right to hear the truth and not only a one-sided argument from the CEO of the company. Please update your post or write a new one with details about what is really going on, if you need or want any more information, feel free to ask me anything you'd like concerning this issue and it will be my pleasure to answer you and give you all the relevant links and documentation to back anything that I've said. Thank you for your time, KaKaRoTo.

[Hamsterman-SWE]

Whats funny is that there has always been hackers in gaming. Forever. Leave to to sony to goto war with them and piss off hackers not even in gaming and bringing them all into the gaming world. These hackers probably would never even attacked any gaming stuff had it not been for sony! Im sure everyone noticed they all seem to target sony first!

I do really hope PSN getting hacked again just for shits and giggles.:p

[msanchez]

Sony should have really looked inward when trying to stop piracy. It was one of their own employees that enabled it, the people that they went after had much less, to nothing to do with piracy.

The should just admit that they are control freaks. Sorry sony, you may have your legion of SDF members willing to believe/do anything as long as it's to your advantage, but you will not be taking over the world and establishing a new world order with a gaming console.

Now why not go and bully some more little kids, or small companies as that is the only thing that you can do well (though your in this predicament because of that).

[Battlefield]

Am I the only one who went wtf when reading this?

Iirc Geohots hacks never directly allowed for piracy, in fact Sony did more to destroy "hackers" by removing oos since to develop games through official channels you have to go through the hassle of becoming a licensed Dev and buying a Dev kit even before starting.

With oos or jb/Cfw any Tom, **** or Harry with the skills can develop software.


Sony also removed support for alot of USB devices, pads etc.

That also shows how much Sony appericiate hackers.

Sony is so full of ****. Nothing they say every day is the truth no matter what its about.

[JonathanD]

Sony is like a kid poking a wasps nest with a stick here. If I where one of these hackers this comment would be a slap in the face.

[dsav]

sony is so stupid.


maybe they wanna get hacked again ? lol.

[wewii]

...............bs

[firewall71]

hahahahah falldown hahahahahah,,i smell cfw 3.65,:p

[danight]

sony is so stupid.


maybe they wanna get hacked again ? lol.

They better hope not. These are the guys sony has had on their butts.
http://gawker.com/5812379/lulz-security-hackers-take-down-cia-website

[chrisprocter01]

crock of ****

[bennyb]

i really hope every haker on the planet takes interest in sony now and brings them down to there knees so they can stick to making tv and **** music systems i dont condone crime but in sonys case i really do 14% higher sales is that why on gumtree and craigs list there was double for sale than there normally was really cheap aswell all my mates jumped ship and they werethe worst type of fanboys to walk the planet i hope the ps4 is hacked aswell but really hacked home brew drive emulaters cfw the lot and from day 1 of its release every haker will be on it

[DEDDOA]

Bollocks!!!

He really should change his surname to Schitt, as that would sum up what he knows about his own employer and products that he claims to represent. Whenever he makes a statement you can guarantee most of it is irrelevant, and what isn't is only relevant in that it's the correct grammer to go along with his bull.

He is a politician, he doesn't answer questions, he just talks about somthing else, usually bollocks.

[Xenogears V]

No hackers, no pirates. Simple no?.

[CZroe]

"Embrace," huh? So all they were doing to GeoHot was giving him a big ol' hug? Yeah, right. :mad:

[tech3475]

No hackers, no pirates. Simple no?.

The problem is that they claim to be anti-pirating (fair enough) but then pull of some BS about independent development.

Frankly the ****hole would have been better off just saying "we hate any modifications".

[msanchez]

hahahahah falldown hahahahahah,,i smell cfw 3.65,:p

I don't know about 3.65, but debug f/w up to 3.60 were recently adquired. This further proves sony don't have any security even more... for God's sake it's their own employees leaking crap; at least that how it seems.


"Embrace," huh? So all they were doing to GeoHot was giving him a big ol' hug? Yeah, right. :mad:

Yeah just a hug... the fact that they were squeezing on him with the force of industrial compactor just means they REALLY REALLY wanted to embrace him.

[MadonnaProject]

yeah, I believe what sony says. sure. NOT.