View Full Version : Jailbreaking is Not a Crime
garyopa
02-01-2012, 10:39 AM
You Bought It. You Own It. - Well, not under the DMCA in the states.
http://www.maxconsole.com/maxconsole/contents/RKSID00000000000000000539/icon_xl.jpg
Currently, the DMCA only allows 'Jailbreaking' on 'phones', but now we have Tablets, and Video Gaming, and EFF and 'Bunnie' is now fighting to have your personal rights extended to those devices
In less then week, comments will be closed, and the USA govt. will start reviewing all the facts and figures and submits and decide if they will RENEW the right to Jailbreak 'phones', or maybe in fact totally REMOVE your personal rights, or if we lucky extend it to support the new-age of Tablets running Android, not just phones, and if we really really luckly even 'Video Gaming Consoles'.
To try to make that happen the EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation) has been pushing hard, and now they have even got 'Bunnie Huang' in on the big fight to make 'Jailbreaking to be NOT a Crime', and he has produced a nice letter, to make it easy to sign and show the 'Copyright Office' that you wish to have the right to Jailbreak, the devices you BOUGHT and OWN.
Dear Ms. Pallante,
Whether it's patching a security vulnerability or homebrewing video games and apps, people who own smart phones, tablets, and video game systems are finding inventive ways to use and improve their devices. Often users need to gain full administrative access, through a process known as "jailbreaking," to innovate and take advantage of the device's full potential.
But right now, jailbreaking a device can lead to legal threats. That's a vulnerability in the law: we need you to create a "patch" so users who jailbreak devices won't be at legal risk.
Three years ago, the Copyright Office agreed to create an exemption to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act so that folks could jailbreak their smartphones. But that exemption is about to expire. We need you to renew that exemption and expand it to cover jailbreaking gadgets with similar computation potential. These are all siblings to the PC, yet unlocking their potential as versatile and powerful computers is burdened with legal murkiness.
We need these exemptions to conduct security research on devices to help safeguard everyday users from security threats. Furthermore, users of these products benefit from the flexibility to choose their own operating systems and run independently developed software. We need the law to catch up with how people are using technology.
Jailbreaking is helping to make technology better, more secure, and more flexible. Please defend the rights of users.
Thanks for enabling us to keep technology innovative, secure, and focused on the users.
bunnie Huang
@bunniestudios
If you remember, 'Bunnie' was the first one to 'Hack the Xbox' and even wrote a book on the subject, which now would be 'Crime' in the states, for the 'research' he was doing back then in the Xbox1 days.
OFFICIAL SITE: https://www.jailbreakingisnotacrime.org/
Thanks to 'Ploggy' for informing me of this news item!
Xenogears V
02-01-2012, 11:30 AM
Own It, don't mean it is your. There are copyrights.
Diztructor
02-01-2012, 12:12 PM
this is what i cant get how many people in this forum cant understand. yes you paid for the product, but the products software is provided as the product is intended, you do not own the software its basically has given you the right to use it as stated.
but yet saying that certain people think that megaupload been closed down is due to corrupt politicians ect regardless to the fact the owners was making money from people using it to pirate content which may i remind regardless of your country is illegal.
billysastard
02-01-2012, 01:34 PM
but yet saying that certain people think that megaupload been closed down is due to corrupt politicians ect regardless to the fact the owners was making money from people using it to pirate content which may i remind regardless of your country is illegal.
yes, certain people like stanford law school http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/node/6795 and even people like Yochai Benkler, Faculty Co-Director of the Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University seem to think it was wrong http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmhoYX7EdXo&feature=player_embedded .
maybe it would help explain why a fair percentage of business traffic was directed at megaupload, all perfectly legal, as was the dmca takedown system and even the ability for movie / music cartel members to take down up to 5,500 files per day without even having to request a takedown, yes, there seems to be no doubt that the illegal activity was allowed and even encouraged and for that no doubt they will be punished, but to completely shut down the operation based in hong kong and to have assets seized and people arrested in multiple countries not for prosecution under those countries laws but for extradition to the usa where they face longer jail terms than a child rapist or murderer for daring to infringe copyright, and it cant have escaped even your notice that all this happened one day after the mpaa / riaa / esa and others saw their corrupt politicians being forced to back away from their corrupt pipa and sopa bills.
want more?
http://www.actainfo.com/2012/01/legitmate-users-of-megaupload.html
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/318768
http://technorati.com/entertainment/article/whos-the-bad-guy-the-fbi/
seems its not just a few people on here who think its all bullshit.
oh and if these companies want to SELL us something, then we own it, if however they want us to sign a lease then that has to be BEFORE SALE to make it legal, and worse still if they implement measures to block our "fair use" then we should have every right to take back what is already legal our right (or maybe the government should start arresting, seizing equipment and throwing those who take away our rights into prison, instead of letting their paymasters do it to us)
Diztructor
02-01-2012, 04:13 PM
but therye fighting for the lets say 50% of users that wasnt using it for illegal purposes, and fighting for those that paid for a service to have it shutdown and no refund.
but regardless you will still insist it was wrong so in other words your saying its ok for people to pay money to upload copied movies, games, music ect, uploading it for others to download for free (or pay to download faster) is not at all illegal.
but thats the exact reason it was shut down, the owners knew too well what people was using the site for, its not as if they could say ohh we didnt know and be given a warning, god sake the forums had dedicated sections, if anyones to blame for it been shut down, its themselves and no one else.
but its funny how you allways cry take away our rights BS when guess what teh company of the product and its investors also have rights, your such a deluded tool, im going to buy a laptop and hack into your bank account and steal money from you, heck i paid for the laptop i can do what i want right??
LOL
MaxLouarn
02-02-2012, 04:13 AM
Yochai Benkler, Faculty Co-Director of the Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University seem to think it was wrong http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmhoYX7EdXo&feature=player_embedded .
Thank you for the link, very interesting interview! This guy is obviously smart & knowledgeable, but he made it very simple to understand. And he kind of make me want to support megaupload in their case now.
wewii
02-02-2012, 07:09 AM
If you buy a smart-phone or console, the software running it maybe copyrighted... but the physical device sure isn't.
So techinally the software copyright is violating/restricting your access to the physical hardware you own.
If I buy a smartphone I have the right possess it, smash it, lend it, throw it like football, open it up and remove all the components, resell it, etc etc etc..... But as soon as it becomes a matter of touching their precious software,,, grrrrrr its so not ok... hahaha lol
What would happen if the developers somehow created a line of script that said if you drop the phone or lend it to a friend... it auto perma-locks or auto bricks. Or a line of script that says that if you open the device casing the phone auto-bricks. That would be ridiculous.
How ridiculous would it sound if you bought a PC from DELL and they told you can't add a hard drive or install another bios or OS.
Copyrights aren't a master law that supersedes all others. The most manufacturer should be able to do is void your warranty. NOTHING MORE.
Diztructor
02-02-2012, 07:28 AM
whats even more rediculous is the lame ass what if remark that will never happen.
end of the day for the simple minded tools, lets take the iphone, its software is there to use thing that apple have given to you on the phone as a package, and i still do not get how idiots cant get this into their heads that software you do not own doesnt mean you can modify it then leak it.
as you are saying i paid for it and i can do what i like, sure YOU could hack YOUR fone or other device ect, but the second YOU leak it, YOU are no longer doing what YOU like as EVERYONE will be doing it.
if you made a program would you be happy with people stealing your program passing it off as their own, or bypassing something thats making you your money?
billysastard
02-02-2012, 07:44 AM
whats even more rediculous is the lame ass what if remark that will never happen.
end of the day for the simple minded tools, lets take the iphone, its software is there to use thing that apple have given to you on the phone as a package, and i still do not get how idiots cant get this into their heads that software you do not own doesnt mean you can modify it then leak it.
as you are saying i paid for it and i can do what i like, sure YOU could hack YOUR fone or other device ect, but the second YOU leak it, YOU are no longer doing what YOU like as EVERYONE will be doing it.
if you made a program would you be happy with people stealing your program passing it off as their own, or bypassing something thats making you your money?
you do realise how stupid that makes you look dont you?
if jailbreaking a phone makes it sell more units then people are still paying for your software, in fact more people are paying for it than normal, its just they are choosing not to use your crappy drm ridden software and changing it for an alternative or "custom" version better suited to what they want, after all, if you paid for the iphone its your choice to decide not to run the original apple firmware but instead use a modified one, apple might not like it but they cant stop you which then begs the question why console makers should think they have the right to stop you.
Diztructor
02-02-2012, 09:04 AM
you do realise how stupid that makes you look dont you?
if jailbreaking a phone makes it sell more units then people are still paying for your software, in fact more people are paying for it than normal, its just they are choosing not to use your crappy drm ridden software and changing it for an alternative or "custom" version better suited to what they want, after all, if you paid for the iphone its your choice to decide not to run the original apple firmware but instead use a modified one, apple might not like it but they cant stop you which then begs the question why console makers should think they have the right to stop you.
funny how you go on about stupid, yet act even more so.
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the ammount of people that return faulty iphones that have been jailbroken due to installing faulty apps or have not jailbroken correctly, yet these users expect apple to pick up the bill and replace the phone... i dont think so.
only an idiot is blinded to what users are using jailbreak for, the fact you dont see this as a business pov on any product including consoles then you really are stupid.
again missing the point of it been yours YOU could do what you like, but if your the one making the JB for your personal use then yes i guess nothing is wrong with that, but the FACT is, if YOU make a jailbreak and leak it for EVERYONE to use, which you FAIL to see.
anyways, its simply clear you do not live in the real world, which is pretty sad as your comments really are lame, you seem so paranoid and angry and simply blame others for your problems.
in your eyes, while Jailbreak allows piracy, you think Jailbreaks ect should be allowed because not everyone is a pirate, ok on the other hand its ok for dealers to deal drugs, because not everyone is going to do drugs.
borbeatss
02-29-2012, 03:12 PM
The problem is simply, companies have an issue with us removing their software and using other ones.
The people who create this software do NOT want to hack and change the existing software, they want to run their own. And companies have an issue with this, simple as that.
funny how you go on about stupid, yet act even more so.
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the ammount of people that return faulty iphones that have been jailbroken due to installing faulty apps or have not jailbroken correctly, yet these users expect apple to pick up the bill and replace the phone... i dont think so.
only an idiot is blinded to what users are using jailbreak for, the fact you dont see this as a business pov on any product including consoles then you really are stupid.
again missing the point of it been yours YOU could do what you like, but if your the one making the JB for your personal use then yes i guess nothing is wrong with that, but the FACT is, if YOU make a jailbreak and leak it for EVERYONE to use, which you FAIL to see.
anyways, its simply clear you do not live in the real world, which is pretty sad as your comments really are lame, you seem so paranoid and angry and simply blame others for your problems.
in your eyes, while Jailbreak allows piracy, you think Jailbreaks ect should be allowed because not everyone is a pirate, ok on the other hand its ok for dealers to deal drugs, because not everyone is going to do drugs.
Yeah. That's actually a good point. ;)
You sound like a little RAT working for the cops. Glad you are banned.
billysastard
02-29-2012, 04:37 PM
Glad you are banned.
only until later today.
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