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garyopa
04-26-2012, 08:49 PM
Now onto the Senate!

http://www.maxconsole.com/maxconsole/contents/RKLS0000007430/icon_xl.jpg

The Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act or CISPA, just passed House despite opposition. The bill is intended to safeguard the US against 'cyber threats,' but there is a catch...

The US House of Representatives has just passed the controversial Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act, or CISPA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_Intelligence_Sharing_and_Protection_Act), which is intended to safeguard the US against "cyber threats", however, this one is pretty vague and broad, and could give government and military intelligence agencies the ability to inspect private data without the use of warrants!



Supporters of the bill say that it will significantly improve the government’s ability to defend against cyber threats and share information amongst intelligence agencies and the private sector, while opponents decry it as an overly broad piece of legislation that stomps on privacy.

"The White House believes the government ought to control the Internet, government ought to set standards and government ought to take care of everything that's needed for cybersecurity," House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), a supporter of the bill, told reporters at his weekly news conference. "They're in a camp all by themselves."

Meanwhile, civil libertarians, who have primarily stood against the bill, spoke out against CISPA’s passage.

"CISPA goes too far for little reason," said Michelle Richardson, ACLU legislative counsel, in a statement on Thursday. "Cybersecurity does not have to mean abdication of Americans’ online privacy. As we’ve seen repeatedly, once the government gets expansive national security authorities, there’s no going back. We encourage the Senate to let this horrible bill fade into obscurity."


This one, will also need to pass the Senate before it would reach the president’s desk. The good news is that, apparently, the Obama administration has already strongly opposed CISPA...



The White House says that the bill lacks civilian oversight and privacy protections, and that "without clear legal protections and independent oversight, information sharing legislation will undermine the public's trust in the government as well as in the internet by undermining fundamental privacy, confidentiality, civil liberties, and consumer protections." Still, the White House has signaled that it is interested in some form of cyber security bill, so this won't likely be its final act.


All we can do is wait... and oppose it just like with SOPA and PIPA!

NEWS SOURCE #1: http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/26/2978395/us-house-passes-cispa
NEWS SOURCE #2: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/04/cispa-passes-house-despite-opposition.ars

Our thanks to 'Gauss' for this news update!

msanchez
04-26-2012, 09:28 PM
What the F*CK? these guys are hell bent on stomping all over our privacy. I mean, I'm all for protection and understand some compromises should be made, but I don't trust it when they are so damn adamant about it. Seems that as soon as one of these privacy raping bills is squashed 3 more pop up.

Retroboy
04-27-2012, 02:24 AM
What the F*CK? these guys are hell bent on stomping all over our privacy. I mean, I'm all for protection and understand some compromises should be made, but I don't trust it when they are so damn adamant about it. Seems that as soon as one of these privacy raping bills is squashed 3 more pop up.

lol seriously erm ok thats just ranting over sh1te just for the sake of it.

you do realise this will be used for known terrorists and their associates, unless your name pops up in the governments list of a possible link to a group then this law that your b1tching over could help your government monitor this persons activities, find out what their doing and could possibly prevent a terrorist attack.

love the way how you only see a half assed side of it (like in many other topics) jump on the wagon start b1tching, because in your world governments are going to spend all day spying on normal day to day citizens.

but heck yea, lets b1tch like you, then comes the time when a terrorist group has used the internet to communicate and plot an attack, which the government had no idea untill its too late, then who do you b1tch at??

billysastard
04-27-2012, 03:23 AM
lol seriously erm ok thats just ranting over sh1te just for the sake of it.

you do realise this will be used for known terrorists and their associates, unless your name pops up in the governments list of a possible link to a group then this law that your b1tching over could help your government monitor this persons activities, find out what their doing and could possibly prevent a terrorist attack.

love the way how you only see a half assed side of it (like in many other topics) jump on the wagon start b1tching, because in your world governments are going to spend all day spying on normal day to day citizens.

but heck yea, lets b1tch like you, then comes the time when a terrorist group has used the internet to communicate and plot an attack, which the government had no idea untill its too late, then who do you b1tch at??

you do realize this is the mpaa owned american government we are talking about? saying it will only be used against terrorists is bullshit, how do they know who the terrorists are without reading everyones communications? oh and how about any terrorist opting to use encryption on that communications, leaving only the innocent to be monitored.

lets face facts, whenever any government wants to remove peoples freedom or privacy the best way to get people to accept it is to dress it up as anti terrorism or anti paedophile legislation simply because no right minded person would oppose such an ideal but the problem is that in cases like this the wording is too open, its bad lawmaking, in this case, so bad that even the mpaa sponsored president, a proven liar, has opposed it.

Retroboy
04-27-2012, 03:57 AM
you do realize this is the mpaa owned american government we are talking about? saying it will only be used against terrorists is bullshit, how do they know who the terrorists are without reading everyones communications? oh and how about any terrorist opting to use encryption on that communications, leaving only the innocent to be monitored.

lets face facts, whenever any government wants to remove peoples freedom or privacy the best way to get people to accept it is to dress it up as anti terrorism or anti paedophile legislation simply because no right minded person would oppose such an ideal but the problem is that in cases like this the wording is too open, its bad lawmaking, in this case, so bad that even the mpaa sponsored president, a proven liar, has opposed it.

open your eyes and use that pea sized brain.

if you say its bullsh1t prove it, ohh wait you cant just like 99% of your other posts, its just what you say, and what you say is not FACT.

you cant figure out how you'd know who is a terrorist erm when you see bin laden, you take the people he had contact with, they also have contacts which are likely to be apart of his terrorist group and could be planning attacks.

you tards watch too much conspiracy tv, you jump to think that governements are going to waste time and money monitoring your sad pathetic lives, when all you do is b1tch about things you fail to see other than your closed minded beleifs.

lets face facts, ok prove the facts that the governemtn is removing peoples freedom and privacy, the facts are your numpties sit here b1tching, when you dont have any facts, yet if terrorists do attack or paedophiles abuse childeren youll be sat there again b1tching that the government should have done something to prevent this.

erm how can they, when they put something in place that can monitor "KNOWN TERRORIST" and "PAEDOPHILES/WEBSITES" you all b1tch and act as if theyre taking freedom from you, when FACT is nothing is been taken from you, this will not affect your sad little life.

i swear you really do lack to see anything other than what you want to see.

billysastard
04-27-2012, 04:47 AM
if you say its bullsh1t prove it, ohh wait you cant just like 99% of your other posts, its just what you say, and what you say is not FACT.

well since you hate facts, try reading the fucking bill yourself.

firstly you need to know the vote wasnt due until tomorrow but was pushed through a day early to prevent proper discussion of the bill.

secondly several amendments were added to the bill at the last moment, you can read those additions here http://www.scribd.com/doc/91447098/HR454-PS-4-25

want to know more?

http://gizmodo.com/5905551/cispa-passes-house
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/04/even-rogers-amendments-cispa-still-surveillance-bill
http://gizmodo.com/5905360/what-is-cispa
http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2012/04/13/cispa-is-terrible-for-transparency/
and finally since you like to pretend that you want facts, try reading what the whitehouse has to say about it.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/legislative/sap/112/saphr3523r_20120425.pdf


Cybersecurity and privacy are not mutually exclusive. Moreover, information sharing, while an essential component of comprehensive legislation, is not alone enough to protect the Nation's core critical infrastructure from cyber threats. Accordingly, the Administration strongly opposes H.R. 3523, the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act, in its current form.


Previously, CISPA allowed the government to use information for "cybersecurity" or "national security" purposes. Those purposes have not been limited or removed. Instead, three more valid uses have been added: investigation and prosecution of cybersecurity crime, protection of individuals, and protection of children. Cybersecurity crime is defined as any crime involving network disruption or hacking, plus any violation of the CFAA.

from http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120426/14505718671/insanity-cispa-just-got-way-worse-then-passed.shtml

and there you have it, terrorism and child protection the two big boogeymen both used to pass this this evil bill.

get back to me when you know what you are on about.

Retroboy
04-27-2012, 05:10 AM
well since you hate facts, try reading the fucking bill yourself.

firstly you need to know the vote wasnt due until tomorrow but was pushed through a day early to prevent proper discussion of the bill.

secondly several amendments were added to the bill at the last moment, you can read those additions here http://www.scribd.com/doc/91447098/HR454-PS-4-25

want to know more?

http://gizmodo.com/5905551/cispa-passes-house
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/04/even-rogers-amendments-cispa-still-surveillance-bill
http://gizmodo.com/5905360/what-is-cispa
http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2012/04/13/cispa-is-terrible-for-transparency/
and finally since you like to pretend that you want facts, try reading what the whitehouse has to say about it.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/legislative/sap/112/saphr3523r_20120425.pdf





from http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120426/14505718671/insanity-cispa-just-got-way-worse-then-passed.shtml

and there you have it, terrorism and child protection the two big boogeymen both used to pass this this evil bill.

get back to me when you know what you are on about.

and FACTS pal, where does any of this say its going to be used to takeaway anyones freedom and that theyre going to spy on YOU!!!
tell me to read the fukin bill.

quote anything in there that states that its going to be used to spy on normal day to day people that do nothing but live their ordinary lives.

GO ON QUOTE IT.

wait you wont/cant because it doesnt say anything, its just you and your half assed world, one sided pov like allways.

just take this for example web hosts handing your information over to the governemnt, this is all your pie sized feckin brain has read, you failed to even think that this would be on sites such as child porn.. so your actually saying you have a problem with this??

get a feckin grip lad

billysastard
04-27-2012, 05:42 AM
just take this for example web hosts handing your information over to the governemnt, this is all your pie sized feckin brain has read, you failed to even think that this would be on sites such as child porn.. so your actually saying you have a problem with this??



wow, you read the whole lot in under 20 minutes, thats some going.

and yes, i do have a HUGE problem with that, if a site is publishing child porn a warrant can easily be obtained for the servers and all details or a wiretap warrant to spy on who is saying doing what but that can already be done, what we are talkking about here isnt about using laws that already exist and do the job fine, its about taking little things like proof or even enough suspicion to get a judge to sign a warrant out of the equation completely and allowing not only any branch of the government to spy on anyone they wish, but to then share that information with other departments / organisations, your private emails accessible from pretty much any us government computer and no doubt as easily leaked as so many other government held documents, but this goes even further, by completely bypassing the foia as an exemption, you can never legally find out any of the information they have gathered about you using this act, you know, the same as the kgb in soviet russia or the ss in nazi germany or the stasi in east germany so you are supporting the same thing as was used by those evil regimes to spy on its people, except of course in this case its not just their own people its anyone in the usa AND anyone accessing any .com, .net or .org website or anyone using any website that has even part of its hosting in the usa (and possibly any site using any american payment processor so paypal, visa, amex, mastercard etc).

remember how sopa and pipa were "needed" and yet the day after they had both failed because of public outcry the us government carried out the massive worldwide takedown of megaupload without needing wither of those laws, of course the fact that it was done illegally didnt prevent it from happening and only now are the details being thrown out buy courts, as well as pushing the server company towards bankruptcy by having them retain all the data at their own expense even though both the government and its owners the mpaa both agree they did nothing wrong.

Retroboy
04-27-2012, 06:02 AM
omfg still dont see the other side other than your own, this is not going to be used on lets say asda.com theyre not gona be handing everyones information over to the governemnt are they ffs.

you simply fail to even understand what kind of sites the governement would be using this bill for.

epic fail here, sure megaupload was illegally shut down pmsl its not like the owners and the site wasnt doing anything wrong at all.

youve really made me laugh just now, really is funny how you can never see beyond what you want to see, id really like to get a visual insight of your fictional world.

billysastard
04-27-2012, 06:30 AM
omfg still dont see the other side other than your own, this is not going to be used on lets say asda.com theyre not gona be handing everyones information over to the governemnt are they ffs.

you simply fail to even understand what kind of sites the governement would be using this bill for.

epic fail here, sure megaupload was illegally shut down pmsl its not like the owners and the site wasnt doing anything wrong at all.

youve really made me laugh just now, really is funny how you can never see beyond what you want to see, id really like to get a visual insight of your fictional world.

simple fact, IT CAN BE USED ON ASDA.COM if they want to without needing any reason to do so, that is why it is wrong.

i'm done trying to educate you on this since it appears that you dont really want to know but instead just repeat what you've been told by someone who was wrong.

Retroboy
04-27-2012, 06:40 AM
simple fact, IT CAN BE USED ON ASDA.COM if they want to without needing any reason to do so, that is why it is wrong.

i'm done trying to educate you on this since it appears that you dont really want to know but instead just repeat what you've been told by someone who was wrong.

your only done trying to force your crock o cr@p one sided conspiracy BS to me.

think of it logically and not like a total tool, why would the government waste time and money spying on asda.com, sure they could be they aint gona are they.

this just clearly proves how you only see what you want, youve taken the fact that they can spy on anything they like, and jump to the sad BS theory that theyre going to start spying on you and taking away your freedom.

but erm thats just so stupid, really it is, the governement will be using this to find those that need to be stopped, such as you said child porn sites, those that upload them and those that visit them should be stopped, and this rule is the best way of doing so.

and lets see the extremist websites that terrorists gather up on and terrorists that use internet services to communicate, this could be used to stop them.

the thing wrong here is your one sided view, its funny how i knew you wouldnt quote anything, because people will see that on one side is your deluded world and on the other side of the fence is those that can see sence and what reasons this can be used for.

DEDDOA
04-27-2012, 06:45 AM
Billy, don't feed the troll, he wants to be told what he can and can't think and do, he has no mind of his own. There is no point agruing with him as he can't change his mind unless big brother tells him what to change it to and only regurgitates what he is told so doesn't even understand why things like this are bad even for him.

wewii
04-27-2012, 06:52 AM
Diztructor you are either a naive dumb f***.... or just one of them parading around as a legit poster.

The US is one big circus clown show of liars and manipulators for self/elitist/mafia interest. The government/police/military is run by private hands with zero interest in anyone's LEGIT welfare and well being. Just a bunch of hired self-righteous ignorant thugs in suits and uniforms.

If you think otherwise, you are stupid like most dumbass Americans with their heads up their ass watching Spike TV, FOX, CNN, SLICE and WWE.

Bunch of stupid sheep being led to the slaughter.

IJTF_Cinder
04-27-2012, 06:57 AM
Diztructor you are either a naive dumb f***.... or just one of them parading around as a legit poster.

The US is one big circus clown show of liars and manipulators for self/elitist interest. The government and military is run by private hands with zero interest in anyone's' LEGIT welfare.

If you think otherwise, you are stupid like most dumbass Americans with their heads up their ass watching Spike TV.

Bunch of stupid sheep being led to the slaughter.

I vote the former, while having his governments **** in his ass, and Sony's in his mouth, using his ears as handles while doing so. :P

Retroboy
04-27-2012, 06:57 AM
Billy, don't feed the troll, he wants to be told what he can and can't think and do, he has no mind of his own. There is no point agruing with him as he can't change his mind unless big brother tells him what to change it to and only regurgitates what he is told so doesn't even understand why things like this are bad even for him.

no the point is, how is anyone telling me what i can and cant do, you guys take it as if this bill gets passed that the government will be spying on me.

erm like ive asked where are these facts to back this BS idea up?? wait there isnt any.

you drama queens are just sat here in your fantasy world and b1tching, over something that could be and have all gone crazy like lemmings to assume that it is going to be used like this.

you simply fail to see what good can come from using this. you claim these so called facts yet can never provide them, because its your one sided deluded little brain making this bs up.

we dont live in the world of Jack Bauer where a governemnt agency will be able to spy on you and pin point your location..... unless they have a reason to, which for you, your life is meaniless, you like a tiny flea on a horses ass, no one gives a sh1t about you drama queens, so why b1tch over nothing, and then kick off at me for pointing this sad pathetic fact out.

just to prove my point, how billys mind tells him that megaupload was illegally shut down, ha ha clearly shows how his one sided brain works, yet cant ever back up anything to prove that what happened to megaupload was illegal because it will clearly open him up to the other side of the arguement that was the actaul reasons why it was shut down, its p1ss funny how magically he cant see this point, and chooses not to see it, and those who do see it are wrong and are trolls or as you put it are following big brothers commands pmfsl

wewii
04-27-2012, 07:24 AM
Diztructor just STFU.

Stupid people will always be stupid. They will attack surface issues and never look at root causes of dissent and civil unrest.

They will only see broken windows and burning cars during protests and not the ass-holes creating an abusive/expoitive system that piss people off to that extreme degree.

Go plug your brain into the government network so that they can do the thinking for you. OH WAIT.. They already do... Must be WIFI or 3G.

msanchez
04-27-2012, 07:54 AM
*SIGH*.... everytime retrogreendiztructor (a.ka. lifeless retarded bastard child of a homosexual fling between kaz and ken) posts his dribble a puppy dies.

I will say one thing though, he makes it pretty easy to know what's the morally correct thing to do. You simply have to go against his stance and you'll always be in the right... and so far that is one law that has no exception.

Captain N1
04-27-2012, 08:18 AM
lol someone is http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb99/Captain_N1/TrollFace.jpg'in lol
lets see how skynet responds.

Retroboy
04-27-2012, 08:35 AM
pmsl yup i guess then im chatting dribble for stating that this isnt going to be used to spy on normal people.

all ill say that sit back and watch, i bet what i say is true, you wont see the governement spying on normal people and attacking them for no reason.

WoIverine
04-27-2012, 08:51 AM
Obama also said he wasn't going to sign the NDAA law, but he did anyway. If Cispa passes the senate, it will be law.

If you don't want **** like this to happen, vote Ron Paul 2012.

WoIverine
04-27-2012, 09:14 AM
Diztructor just STFU.

Stupid people will always be stupid. They will attack surface issues and never look at root causes of dissent and civil unrest.

They will only see broken windows and burning cars during protests and not the ass-holes creating an abusive/expoitive system that piss people off to that extreme degree.

Go plug your brain into the government network so that they can do the thinking for you. OH WAIT.. They already do... Must be WIFI or 3G.

Probably all the flouride they dump into the water supply (for no reason at all, toothpaste already contains it, you don't have to swallow your toothpaste!), it's been scientifically proven to lower children's IQs.

billysastard
04-27-2012, 09:15 AM
you claim these so called facts yet can never provide them, because its your one sided deluded little brain making this bs up.

right fuckwit.

1) FACT warrant was illegally obtained. here is the court report after it was shown to be illegal http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10792862

2) FACT the illegal warrants were made out as the result of an illegal (without warrant as this new bill allows) wiretaps. http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-57368523-261/feds-we-obtained-megaupload-conversations-with-search-warrant/

can you see a pattern here? i post facts, you spout bullshit, when everyone else sees it they tell you the same or worse and yet you still wrongly think everyone else is wrong and you are right, worse still i doubt you even know enough about american politics to make comments about what they may or may not do, others here either live there or visit there failrly often on business or even in some cases like mine have had to deal directly with these corrupt, lying (but well paying) fucks for over 20 years.

WoIverine
04-27-2012, 09:21 AM
right fuckwit.

1) FACT warrant was illegally obtained. here is the court report after it was shown to be illegal http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10792862

2) FACT the illegal warrants were made out as the result of an illegal (without warrant as this new bill allows) wiretaps. http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-57368523-261/feds-we-obtained-megaupload-conversations-with-search-warrant/

can you see a pattern here? i post facts, you spout bullshit, when everyone else sees it they tell you the same or worse and yet you still wrongly think everyone else is wrong and you are right, worse still i doubt you even know enough about american politics to make comments about what they may or may not do, others here either live there or visit there failrly often on business or even in some cases like mine have had to deal directly with these corrupt, lying (but well paying) fucks for over 20 years.

Right on Billy! :very_drunk:

billysastard
04-27-2012, 09:21 AM
Obama also said he wasn't going to sign the NDAA law, but he did anyway. If Cispa passes the senate, it will be law.

If you don't want **** like this to happen, vote Ron Paul 2012.

much as though i do like dr paul i must say that whilst he did speak out against this bill he also abstained from voting on it, now this might just be that he was away campaigning but the sad fact is that mpaa owned president obama's democrats that were the ones who voted against it so there is a slim chance that he might not lie about killing this bill with his veto, sadly by january the new president of the right wing flying spaghetti monster party (formally the republican party) will pass something at least as bad as this.

WoIverine
04-27-2012, 09:32 AM
much as though i do like dr paul i must say that whilst he did speak out against this bill he also abstained from voting on it, now this might just be that he was away campaigning but the sad fact is that mpaa owned president obama's democrats that were the ones who voted against it so there is a slim chance that he might not lie about killing this bill with his veto, sadly by january the new president of the right wing flying spaghetti monster party (formally the republican party) will pass something at least as bad as this.

Was it up for a congressional vote? Check this out:

http://www.dailypaul.com/229236/roll-call-who-voted-for-cispa-courtesy-of-campaign-for-liberty

It says Paul didn't vote...but it's not Ron Paul, or Rand Paul that it's talking about, it's "McHenry Paul" weird. Ah, nevermind, it's a typo on the site. I bet Rand will hammer this bill pretty soon, should be interesting.

billysastard
04-27-2012, 09:53 AM
Was it up for a congressional vote? Check this out:

http://www.dailypaul.com/229236/roll-call-who-voted-for-cispa-courtesy-of-campaign-for-liberty

It says Paul didn't vote...but it's not Ron Paul, or Rand Paul that it's talking about, it's "McHenry Paul" weird. Ah, nevermind, it's a typo on the site. I bet Rand will hammer this bill pretty soon, should be interesting.

thats weird, i was using the house published vote results http://www.scribd.com/doc/91448041/Final-Vote-Results-for-Roll-Call-192 from 6:31pm last night but it just lists a single paul as a non vote with nothing under ayes or noes.

must admit i was pretty shocked not to see paul under the noes thats what made me think maybe he was absent on the campaign trail.

msanchez
04-27-2012, 10:34 AM
pmsl yup i guess then im chatting dribble for stating that this isnt going to be used to spy on normal people.

all ill say that sit back and watch, i bet what i say is true, you wont see the governement spying on normal people and attacking them for no reason.

Naivete is cute in some kids, in you it's just embarrassing. A part of me wishes I could have a total lack of cynicism as you do, but alas, unlike you I live in the real world; a place where you probably won't survive if you trust everything/one. I guess in your fairly tale world a socialist government equates to a utopia, because in theory that should be the result, but in the real world socialist states are mostly dystopias.

Here's a little example, as a mod I should be impartial and uphold the rules to all equally... but I don't like you, so even if I shouldn't do it I can ban you just because I'm bored of your idiocy... I shouldn't, but we both know I have already done so.

On the other hand, if you're banned you shouldn't come back to where you were banned from... you shouldn't, but we both you have come back to degrade our mental states time after time.

Basically, actual practice differs from theory, and any person who's lived in the outside world for 3 years will probably know this.

tech3475
04-27-2012, 12:53 PM
I'm just curious, what has intellectual property got to do with national security?

billysastard
04-27-2012, 02:17 PM
I'm just curious, what has intellectual property got to do with national security?

dont you know?

someone downloading a movie over bit torrent is helping to support terrorism (according to the mpaa), same with your local weed dealer or console modder.:D

IJTF_Cinder
04-27-2012, 02:28 PM
dont you know?

someone downloading a movie over bit torrent is helping to support terrorism (according to the mpaa), same with your local weed dealer or console modder.:D

As far as I'm concerned, buying a movie helps support terrorism, the MPAA ARE terrorists!

billysastard
04-27-2012, 03:05 PM
As far as I'm concerned, buying a movie helps support terrorism, the MPAA ARE terrorists!

i'm with you on that one ;)