Using Xbox 360 backups on Xbox Live

[mksoftware]

For now, Xbox 360 Xtreme backup games work on Xbox live. We don't know when Microsoft will respond on the situation, but most likely they will. Use Xbox Live on your own risk, we don't support using Xbox Live by any means.

People who make a new thread about this subject get a warning or temporary ban! Don't try to waste Moderators time, because it will cost you time.

Use this topic, it keeps the forum clean!

[hanz]

Mods please remove

[ChaoS 2 Society]

he is the mod

[mksoftware]

Mods please remove

How smart of you to say that :p

[blasintildadeat]

yo man i went ahead and got xbox live today ....i havent had xbox live in a while...well whatever...it seems that now my backed up games wont boot up....when i put in a disc the damn xbox tells me to open tray...i guess im gonna have to wait for a hack for this....or maybe its even f'ed up 4 life....DAMN!!!!

[blacktrix]

I'm planning to get a 360, and want to use Live as well.....
Now, if I use the firmware hack, will I still be able to use ORIGINAL games on Live while continuing to use Backups (Offline of course)?

[hanz]

Yes you can, yet its still at your own risk, as you never know if MS will release some kind of forced Dash update that detects modified Fw's.

[blacktrix]

Yikes. In that case I'd better hold off....

I just hope that they come up with a modchip-like device with an On/Off switch like the Original Xbox.... THEN I'll have to consider again.

Thanks for the quick answer!

[thedark1]

it is higly unlikely that MS will have a Forced Firmware Update If they did that so many ppl would be up to sue them it's not even funny. What they may do however is make some games or services only playable with the new firmware update. It is against the law for them to alter your machine without prior consent.

[fanni]

it is higly unlikely that MS will have a Forced Firmware Update If they did that so many ppl would be up to sue them it's not even funny. What they may do however is make some games or services only playable with the new firmware update. It is against the law for them to alter your machine without prior consent.

so how do sony get away with it then :rolleyes:
They can add what update they want to

[thedark1]

so exactly how does sony get away with it! If you have a psp and you want to play the newest game then you must update. BUT you do have the choice to upgrade. It is not something they do while you are sitting there playing a game and then they say oh btw we took the liberty of updating your firmware/software. If you think it works that way give me a good example and I have a good rebuttle (comeback)

[jambooboo]

It wouldn't surprise me if MS would be well within their rights to incorporate something into an update that stops the firmware flash from working, and that they would be under no obligation to tell the user that this was so, being that the mod is obviously not what they would think official and accepted use of the 360.

I think it probably depends on how 'out of hand' they think the situation becomes. Sony have been much more aggressive, being quick to update firmware updates which fix any exploits which allowed PSP users to use 'back-ups'. And there was also last years CD copy protection scandal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Sony_CD_copy_protection_scandal).

[thedark1]

So, lets say you go out and buy a brand new sports car and then you modify it the way you like. So the dealer finds out and comes to your house and removes all you have modified. Would he not be in trouble in the eyes of the law? Inm essence it is the same way with consoles. You PAID for this console and it is yours. (Your property to modifiy - You just can't legally benefit from this so called mod, in the eyes of the law) MS, Sony, or Nintendo do not have the right to change it without your permission. Since you mentioned the PSP I will use that. When you update does it not ask you do you want to update. Then you have the choice to accept or decline thier offer. While you don't get to play or use that new game or app it is still your right to say no.

[jambooboo]

So, lets say you go out and buy a brand new sports car and then you modify it the way you like. So the dealer finds out and comes to your house and removes all you have modified. Would he not be in trouble in the eyes of the law? Inm essence it is the same way with consoles. You PAID for this console and it is yours. (Your property to modifiy - You just can't legally benefit from this so called mod, in the eyes of the law) MS, Sony, or Nintendo do not have the right to change it without your permission. Since you mentioned the PSP I will use that. When you update does it not ask you do you want to update. Then you have the choice to accept or decline thier offer. While you don't get to play or use that new game or app it is still your right to say no.

I don't think the analogy is comparable.

Microsoft have a massive financial interest in people not being able to use the firmware mod, as while even if the mod itself is legal (I'm presume it is) it's use is legally dubious as it lends itself to piracy. Hence I would imagine that Microsoft would be well within their rights legally to put a stop to something that damages their business interests.

If the update which stops the firmware mod working is done without permission, then I imagine that Microsoft would be on legally shaky ground. But any update which did stop the firmware mod from working wouldn't need to inform the user of this, as as far as Microsoft are concerned the mod isn't accepted and common use of the 360.

If people were given the choice to update their 360's as with the PSP, I imagine that it work in a similar way insofar that unless you update you can't play new releases, thus rendering a non-updated machine obsolete.

[thedark1]

You are right. We both are. In my above posts I was not saying that MS, Sony or anyone for that matter has to tell me in detail what their update will do, with the exception of console updates. Software and what not. I don't care if they update some security patches and stuff sunce that is for the most part helping me.

[Knuckles-chaoti]

Well you can now get the fractal 360 mod..
Im sure thatd help?

[TR0JANMAN]

What if I purchased an extra 360 dvd drive and keyed it with my old drives key then flashed the firmware on the new one? Use the new one to play backups and use the old one for Live. Would that work? Microsoft could not tell if I was not connected to Live?

[thedark1]

I don't think the drive really has to much to do with you getting banned from live. I think thier is something else that holds these firmware changes. If it was not then it would be to easy to change out your dirve if you get banned. But then again maybe not since every drive has a key for only it.

[TR0JANMAN]

Thanks.

I did not want to buy two 360s like I did with the first xbox

[DaSonix]

I saw several times people questioning about "will I be banned from xbox live with a moddified firmware".
Well i rememberd a statement by Boris Schneider Johne who is working for Microsoft where he answered some questions on the hack in his private blog.


:
Warum werden die Leute nicht bei Live gebannt?
Aus Live fliegt raus, wer mit manipulierten Spielen die System-Integrität verletzt. Die aktuellen Modchips erlauben aber gar keine Manipulation am Content, sondern nur das Abspielen von 1:1 Raubkopien die per se keine Gefahr für das System sind.

Translation:

:
Why are people not banned from live?
From xbox live only those are banned who penetrate the system integrity with manipulated games. Current modchips don't allow a manipluation of content but only the play of copies which are no danger for the system.

This is why Microsoft won't be able to ban people from live unless they change the Terms & Conditions for xbox live. but this is a judicial question.

Currently the only danger is that Microsoft will change the security system and will prohibit future copies and current. But the danger of being banned from live is low from my point of view.
Nevertheless i will put my drive in factory state when the next dashboard update will be released. Just to ensure the console is not fucked up because of a very specific update.

Nevertheless buy games you like!

[kez66]

yo man i went ahead and got xbox live today ....i havent had xbox live in a while...well whatever...it seems that now my backed up games wont boot up....when i put in a disc the damn xbox tells me to open tray...i guess im gonna have to wait for a hack for this....or maybe its even f'ed up 4 life....DAMN!!!!
hi m8 got same probs if u find out anything pls reply cheers

[eViL_sTa]

Mods please remove
wow i never noticed that. i admire ur wisdom. there is no chance i would have been able to do that without ur help. thnx a lot again:D

[Rockman_Joey]

so how do sony get away with it then :rolleyes:
They can add what update they want to

I was looking this up on Wikipedia. It has something to do with the whole emulation, homebrew and piracy scene on PSP. Obviously its illegal in some ways and companies who develop games lose money (hence ISO's on Devhook).

If Sony don't keep up with the fixes and say just forget about making the neccessary security fixes for the PSP's firmware, a company who is say suffering from losses because of the firmware hack which say hasnt been seen to for quite some time can sue Sony for damages.

But Sony are pretty persistant, so they wont get sued. Theres nothing more they can do to get gamers with the firmwares with the homebrew access to change apart from look at further flaws in the PSP, make motherboard revisions because they've pretty much done stuff like Firmware requirements for the game which is effective.

As for 360, well I don't know about the 360s hacks and stuff just yet, I'll have to google up some info.

[djadamix]

Alrighty. so i got my xbox flashed with xtreme 2.3 yesterday.
can u guys tell me what would probably happen if ill get xbox live?
everyone is like "use it on ur own risk" but i dont wanna risk my xbox lol :P i fried 2 drives already trying to get it working lol :P haha :P

[jayjames]

just go on live!! it`ll be alright , i promise!

[Diablo Bastardo]

Somebody on my friends list had back-ups. about 50 of em.

Went on live, took the fall update then low and behold none of the back ups worked any longer. Sickener seeings as he took all his original games into a game shop and sold them all.

Its not something I would bother doing myself.

Is it really worth it?

[wigsplitta]

Backups work fine on live. If anyone is having problems on Live then update your firmware. Are you guys suggesting that MS included a firmware patch in the fall update?

[Tony Williams]

If you get 'banned' what actually gets 'banned'? ie, is it just your hard disk or the Xbox 360's motherboard serial?

Also with a modded Xbox 360, can I just play an original game online and be okay? I don't fancy the 'your Xbox is a brick idea'

[Diablo Bastardo]

Ban the lot I say. Your IP, credit card, console and gamertag.

Good enough.

Wouldnt want somebody coming into my house and taking all my games because they were too tight fisted to buy their own.

[wigsplitta]

Ummmm I think you're in the wrong thread. Go start an anti-backup group.

[Tony Williams]

Ban the lot I say. Your IP, credit card, console and gamertag.

Good enough.

Wouldnt want somebody coming into my house and taking all my games because they were too tight fisted to buy their own.

Um, I believe when we refer to the term back up on these forums we assume that the person in question legally owns the disc before making a copy.

[Diablo Bastardo]

Um, I believe when we refer to the term back up on these forums we assume that the person in question legally owns the disc before making a copy.


Yeah and if you think everybody including microsoft believes the"oh but honest they are already games I own" bullshit then you must think we are all as green as you.

Who in their right mind goes to the trouble and expense of getting the consoles modded so they can copy all they games they have already to play the copies. What a load of arse.

If you dont think its a crime why spout on in this thread about "ooh will I get banned and how will they ban me?"

As for your statement you might own the disc but it also states not to make illegal copies of it. In other words do not copy the disc as a back up in case your dog eats the original. You dont own the software your are merely paying a license fee to play it. The legal owner is the software producer, not the spotty oik sitting in his sweaty sock infested bedroom whipping out copies for all his monitor tanned friends.

All those who commit piracy under the guise of "its a back up" want shafting with the rough end of a pineapple.

If you can honestly say that you have never ever downloaded and burnt a game then you must be the only person on the planet with a flashed console who has not.

You all must think we come in with the last shower of rain.

Best of luck in your little dream world.

Im off to play some games I have worked and actually paid for myself.

Ps I hope somebody comes round your house and removes all your gear and takes it back to their house as back ups.

[Tony Williams]

Incase you arn't aware this forum is mostly about hacking, modding and the backing up of games so I don't know what you're doing in here.

There is a good enough reason to back up a game due to the rather high prices in games, I don't wanna shell out $60 for a game just so it breaks over time as I doubt M$ will replace it so the idea of backing them up is fair maybe a bit more messing around (modding, ripping, burning).

Some people just copy them off thier friends but that's really thier choice if they want to support gaming companies I'm pretty sure they would in possible other ways.

I actally don't own an Xbox but it's nice to know if I ever did, I could keep my investment.

Maybe you should leave and join the forums at www.anti-xbox-backup-games.net (oh I'm sorry they don't exist :( )

[toler8]

.............want shafting with the rough end of a pineapple.

mmmmmm.......think i'll give that a miss, fookin' funny though!!

There is another reason for making back-ups, i myself have been a victim of my 360 drive putting a wide radial scratch all the way around a disc. £40 just thrown away because of a ms design fault. I now make a backup of every game regardless of some silly law.
But i do buy all the games i have.

[phallius]

With the existance of the circular scratches phenomina, a fool would argue not to backup 360 games. Can you imagine a person's dismay when their $$60.00 game gets circular scratches? Scratches can appear regardless of positioning. This has been proven in many forums. Microsoft has encouraged backups through their lack of physical disk protection ($.25 rubber bumpers fixes the problem) and their cost for games- $60.00 is RIDICULOUS!!!!!! When you pay 60.00 on a game and it dies in a month because the console is scratching it, it makes sense to back it up. It's really a no-brainer!
Phallius

[Tony Williams]

It's wise to back up your games and keep them somewhere safe, perhaps buy some plastic covers (ones like shrink wraping) and just play the copied game. Any trouble open up the new game and copy.

At the end of the day it's backing up vs piracy

Although a lot of people do indeed legally copy thier games within thier right alot of people see it as an easy oppertunity to copy and swap games with thier friends.

I think M$ do have a point when it comes to this kind of thing. Perhaps they should offer you a free replacement if your disc is damaged? Maybe a COA that you can send them? That way there isn't much reason to backup a game.

But untill they do this I'm condoning the copying of games, as for the legalities in some counties, I'm not to bothered not like their the ones being ripped off, now is it?

[AshsToAshs]

Sorry,
But just to confirm:

I'm at just as much risk playing Original games on my flashed drive as i am playing Backed-Up games on my flashed drive?

-Ash-

[wigsplitta]

Sorry,
But just to confirm:

I'm at just as much risk playing Original games on my flashed drive as i am playing Backed-Up games on my flashed drive?

-Ash-
Yes, it would be the same risk because in MS would be looking for the actual firmware. I wouldn't worry too much though. I think they are looking at different approaches this time. If they just ban everyone off of live then of course that will be lost revenue. The person may just go buy a PS3 or Wii and play online at no cost.

[KainXS]

well, if ms bans me were gonna have a problem because i have proof that i bought all of my games

[wigsplitta]

well, if ms bans me were gonna have a problem because i have proof that i bought all of my games
Right, and I think that's where MS is having the biggest problem. Although they are fully aware of what's going on they really can't do too much until someone tries to run unsigned code. As far as they can tell you are running your original games and not backups. It's not illegal to flash the drives although they can ban anyone from live at any time without cause. I think this will create some legal trouble if they ban everyone with flash drives. Also, there would be a signifigant financial impact. Let's say 100,000 people are banned * 49.99 a year + content downloads.......that would hurt big time.

[coldjim]

right so at the moment its 100 % safe that my xbox won't brake or my account won't be shut down?

[wigsplitta]

right so at the moment its 100 % safe that my xbox won't brake or my account won't be shut down?
correct....but of course it's a gamble.

[ORTOX06]

At this point, it seems that Microsoft has decided not to fight it. As long as unsigned code is not being run on their systems, it seems as though they view the modified firmware as acceptable. But once unsigned code is run on the 360, and cheating becomes prevalent like in halo 2, then we might have to worry.

[EA SNIP3D]

am i right in thinking then that this latest gow hacking could well start to make ms do something about the modded firmware?:rolleyes:
if so bloody quit it now why hack a game to finish it

[wigsplitta]

am i right in thinking then that this latest gow hacking could well start to make ms do something about the modded firmware?:rolleyes:
if so bloody quit it now why hack a game to finish it
Yeah, it will make MS start looking a little closer. They will probably just ban those who are running the unsigned code as they will stick out like a sore thumb and they are in clear violation of XBL policies. Fucking losers.....why even try to alter games to do stupid ****? I also find it highly amusing that gamertags kept popping up in the video. I'm going to keep my eye on those tags bc I'm sure they will be banned very soon.

[rikitydj]

if ms starts banning (or even bricking) x boxes it will simply lose them money

no more live subsrciption
no more x box accesories
no more occasional game buying (i still buy the odd game)



once a hacker always a hacker, if they get on top of it they will lose interest in a big BIG way, ppl wont jus go n buy another box n be legit, wheres the fun in that?

alright, theres a few people posting in these forums, however theres a few more million that when u say is ur 360 flashed they say '.....huh?'

n i think more of u need to start thinkin this way, no need to get paranoid:)

[spawn1980]

Question I have'nt updated my 360 since august before any hack. I just want to know if it's ok to just go on live to update the system NOT play games.

[wigsplitta]

Question I have'nt updated my 360 since august before any hack. I just want to know if it's ok to just go on live to update the system NOT play games.
Seriously its ok to play the games on live. If you're using the Xtreme firmware you may get an error 66 after the updates and you must reflash to the newest version. Other than that you should be fine.

[MrSelfDestruct]

if ms starts banning (or even bricking) x boxes it will simply lose them money

There is nothing illegal about modding the firmware of hardware that you own. They cant brick your xbox hardware because you decided to open it up and play with it.

All they can do is ban you from their online network for breaking their TOS. If they were to brick xbox's, they would be looking at a whole lot of law suits

[colourwolf777]

i have been playing my back ups for a week now on xbox360 live
woke up this morning and low and behold 'open tray' after not even trying to read disk.

is this a 'backup' plan from microsoft that disables your drive if you play fake games?
anyway fixed it this afternoon ,took about 3 hours and they told me i couldnt use it online at the shop.
some fix.
is there anyway around it as i live in china and am not getting games sent over twice so i only use back-ups.
hence saving costs of packaging as well as new game.....and time

[Uchihazor]

Yeah and if you think everybody including microsoft believes the"oh but honest they are already games I own" bullshit then you must think we are all as green as you.

Who in their right mind goes to the trouble and expense of getting the consoles modded so they can copy all they games they have already to play the copies. What a load of arse.

If you dont think its a crime why spout on in this thread about "ooh will I get banned and how will they ban me?"

As for your statement you might own the disc but it also states not to make illegal copies of it. In other words do not copy the disc as a back up in case your dog eats the original. You dont own the software your are merely paying a license fee to play it. The legal owner is the software producer, not the spotty oik sitting in his sweaty sock infested bedroom whipping out copies for all his monitor tanned friends.

All those who commit piracy under the guise of "its a back up" want shafting with the rough end of a pineapple.

If you can honestly say that you have never ever downloaded and burnt a game then you must be the only person on the planet with a flashed console who has not.

You all must think we come in with the last shower of rain.

Best of luck in your little dream world.

Im off to play some games I have worked and actually paid for myself.

Ps I hope somebody comes round your house and removes all your gear and takes it back to their house as back ups.


lol this made me chuckle when I read it. But I agree with it. There are tons of people with backs-ups of games they dont own yet they just pretend they are back-ups of games they "do own".
Plus backing up already owned games is a lot of time and hassle and is expensive due to the ridiculously high prices of DL DVDs. My 360 doesn't scratch my original games and as soon as I see a possible related scratch I'll consider backing it up.
But yeah I wonder how many people on this forum have hit the rental shops once their 360 has been flashed? :rolleyes:

[Charbless]

There is nothing illegal about modding the firmware of hardware that you own. They cant brick your xbox hardware because you decided to open it up and play with it.

All they can do is ban you from their online network for breaking their TOS. If they were to brick xbox's, they would be looking at a whole lot of law suits

If your modding there firmware that is illegal the firmware is copyrighted.

If MS really wanted to they could put in terms about bricking but they wont do this because to them they are getting your money so if 360 fucks up it's not at there cost.

[colourwolf777]

well you rightous news believers actually believe or have been lead to believe over a number of years that dvd's actually cost 50+ dollars and 'researchers and programers' actually get any kind of percentage outside a normal working mans sallary. The big companies as usual are making billions of profits cos idiots like you let them. keep up the good work and hey, go spend your hard earned on a piece of plastice scratchable shite.
And if they do invent a dvd that doesn't scratch maybe it would be worth paying for.
And maybe they could invent a game that works perfectly without having to be updated repeatedly.
rushed market for eager fools.
keep spending.

[plan-9]

You are not paying for the actual dvd. Everyone knows that costs nothing to manufacture. You are paying for the content on that dvd. Games these days cost a **** load of money to make. Do I believe games are too high priced still, yes..right now its about $70 CDN for a game. I think thats too high...if it were $50 for a brand new release I would be fine with. I picked up Quake4 brand new for $19.99 CDN..cant go wrong with that price. Grabbed Prey for $30 brand new as well. I just think its hilarious when people say they need backup copies...come on, well all know youre just pirating them.

And for scratched dvds..well take care of the things better. I have cds that are about 10 years old and are still fine. Take care of the dvd/cd and it will be fine, unless its a hardware problem with the drive that causes the scratches.

As for buggy games, I agree its getting bad. PC was plagued by this from day1. Console gamers usually had it a lot better, until they added hdds making it possible to update games. Thats when the problems started happening, publishers started demanding games get out by a certain date, so developers would rush the games out and just patch it later.


well you rightous news believers actually believe or have been lead to believe over a number of years that dvd's actually cost 50+ dollars and 'researchers and programers' actually get any kind of percentage outside a normal working mans sallary. The big companies as usual are making billions of profits cos idiots like you let them. keep up the good work and hey, go spend your hard earned on a piece of plastice scratchable shite.
And if they do invent a dvd that doesn't scratch maybe it would be worth paying for.
And maybe they could invent a game that works perfectly without having to be updated repeatedly.
rushed market for eager fools.
keep spending.

[aveul]

I`m sick after i have read some threads...better stick at PSPs forums,there i can undestand most of discussions,the XBOX 360 threads drives me crazy,i don`t know nothing and i`m feeling strange... :)))
The big problem of mine is what is the price now at Xbox360? in the UK,Ireland area?
I`m from Romania and in this shitty country a fucking Xbox is 500 euro and a PSP 300+ :(
I will go whit my girlfriend for the first time outside the country and we will go to Ireland and i whant very very much to buy a Xbox360 and to flash it because a game is more than 50 euros... and the medium sallary is 150 euros...
Can anyone tell me the price,aprox., and maybe sales (20% 30%) maybe possible for the easter(i go there on 6 april)?I`m interest on the Xbox whit Hdd and wireless controller...
Thanks very much guys!

[saleem]

£270.00 premeium including a game.look around for best deals.they wont be cheaper because they dont do deals/sales on consoles but they do bundles where you can get 1 or more games also.
:)

[wigsplitta]

i have been playing my back ups for a week now on xbox360 live
woke up this morning and low and behold 'open tray' after not even trying to read disk.

is this a 'backup' plan from microsoft that disables your drive if you play fake games?
anyway fixed it this afternoon ,took about 3 hours and they told me i couldnt use it online at the shop.
some fix.
is there anyway around it as i live in china and am not getting games sent over twice so i only use back-ups.
hence saving costs of packaging as well as new game.....and time
No, this is a common problem of the samsung drives. What firmware did you use? There is a rubber band trick, a laser tweak, or new firmware that can fix this.

[aveul]

£270.00 premeium including a game.look around for best deals.they wont be cheaper because they dont do deals/sales on consoles but they do bundles where you can get 1 or more games also.
:)


And if i understand good,the price all over the world is 400 euro?!
And if are sales the price not drop,they only add a game or two?
Is not good if is true...

Another problem: for you to play back-up games are two ways: modchip and flash the drive... Tell me this: modchips do same thing like when you flash the dvd drive,yes? Or how is the chip superior to flash? Is any difference?
Thanks alot!

[wigsplitta]

And if i understand good,the price all over the world is 400 euro?!
And if are sales the price not drop,they only add a game or two?
Is not good if is true...

Another problem: for you to play back-up games are two ways: modchip and flash the drive... Tell me this: modchips do same thing like when you flash the dvd drive,yes? Or how is the chip superior to flash? Is any difference?
Thanks alot!
Flashing is better because youre not adding anything to your 360. You can also change firmware easily. Why waste money on a chip?

[aveul]

Flashing is better because youre not adding anything to your 360. You can also change firmware easily. Why waste money on a chip?

And if i understand corect,the chip make the same with flashing,right?
I have read a tutorial about flashing and is very very hard and i`m affraid,maybe i will broke the xbox...
Is that really hard?
Thanks!

[tunstall_bloke]

Yikes. In that case I'd better hold off....

I just hope that they come up with a modchip-like device with an On/Off switch like the Original Xbox.... THEN I'll have to consider again.

Thanks for the quick answer!

here is a newer device that will..check out>

http://www.shopneo.co.uk/xecuter-blaster360-pre-order-c-366-p-1-pr-16704.html

[Tony Williams]

Only ups on the chips are homebrew apps and region free gaming. Flashing can be easierly undone.

[aveul]

Only ups on the chips are homebrew apps and region free gaming. Flashing can be easierly undone.


What you mean by easierly UNDONE? I have read the totorial and are many many steps and is seems to me that is very very hard and is the posibility to brick the 360! And another thing that i have readed is that the firmware has changed over 30 times! what that meen? is not a good firmware yet,a stable one?
I ask you this because i have to chose beetwen 2 xbox360:one is 360 euro,premium new and one is 460 with chip premium new.
The first one is with international garanty and is not valid for my country,the second one is with garanty for life i guess!?
Tell me your opinion pls!
Thanks very much!

[snaked31]

XBOX live Offline March 27, 2007 (Xbox Live Service Maintenance only)...
I wonder if we can still play our backups after the maintenance...:confused:

[godsin]

WHat I think is really funny is how people are posting in a forum about hacking they xbox 360 with their xbox 360 user name..... whats even more funny is how they are not banned... think that should show everyone that Micro$oft doesnt care enough to bother with it... its when you start to run modified games with cheats or homebrew software that really ticks them off.

[mksoftware]

WHat I think is really funny is how people are posting in a forum about hacking they xbox 360 with their xbox 360 user name..... whats even more funny is how they are not banned... think that should show everyone that Micro$oft doesnt care enough to bother with it... its when you start to run modified games with cheats or homebrew software that really ticks them off.

Naah, that's not funny dude... M$ can't possibly ban people because they say it on a forum. People talk bullshit, when I say I have never downloaded a illegal MP3, would that even make it a reliable source?

[zucrilhos]

thanx !!!!!!!:D

[mattrb]

Ok lets stop this thread. Microsoft gives flowers to people who play backups on live.
Seriously though, NO one will ever get kicked from live for anything pertaining to modding on 360 or running backups on live.

[_dd_]

Ok lets stop this thread. Microsoft gives flowers to people who play backups on live.
Seriously though, NO one will ever get kicked from live for anything pertaining to modding on 360 or running backups on live.


Bump.


Yeah, wait and read for now, more information and details -should- come soon.

[Cobra.uK]

Unfortunately looks whats going on now!

[JordanBlack68]

yup lol the mod got owned (pls dont ban me :))

[dozah]

yup now we gotta figure out a way to make a better mod then ms can ever figure out how to detect and destroy:(

[samanthallqq]

worth a look, thanks

30gb ipod
http://www.bestmobiletools.com/popular.html

[mksoftware]

worth a look, thanks

30gb ipod
http://www.bestmobiletools.com/popular.html

that's advertising, and when you read the rules you should know we won't allow it here on maxconsole...

[omerbener]

Seriously its ok to play the games on live. If you're using the Xtreme firmware you may get an error 66 after the updates and you must reflash to the newest version. Other than that you should be fine.

so does that mean that everytime a new update is available that you would have to flash it again using the newest version of Xtreme firmware if there is one available?

[wigsplitta]

Yes, there is new firmware out. iextreme is the name. I suggest downgrading to your old firmware then upgrading to the iextreme if you want to change firmwares. There really is no reason to keep changing. Just check each release and only upgrade if it will help you out.

[omerbener]

Yes, there is new firmware out. iextreme is the name. I suggest downgrading to your old firmware then upgrading to the iextreme if you want to change firmwares. There really is no reason to keep changing. Just check each release and only upgrade if it will help you out.

so it wouldnt be a good idea to take it to the shop to get it flashed everytime a iextreme firmware that comes out which will help. also it would cost lots everytime i need it to be flashed. the only thing im thinking about at the moment is how hard it is to do since i have a laptop and not a desktop, also i dont know which pcmcia sata card would be compatible with it.

[wigsplitta]

Well, you have to let me know what type of drive you have.

[omerbener]

Well, you have to let me know what type of drive you have.

As soon as I open it, I will let you know since i'm on holiday right night. By the way which one would be better to have in the long run too, the Zoozen Access Pro Toolkit or the Official XCM Unlock Kit?

[wigsplitta]

I'm sure either would be fine but you don't really need one and you don't need to open your 360 to see what drive you have. Check the links

http://forums.maxconsole.net/showthread.php?t=22923

http://forums.maxconsole.net/showthread.php?t=22818

all you need is the top from a cd spindle to get the 360 open. I use a paperclip to get the sides off and you need a star shaped bit...I dont know the actual name. Kits do cut down frustration though

[omerbener]

I'm sure either would be fine but you don't really need one and you don't need to open your 360 to see what drive you have. Check the links

http://forums.maxconsole.net/showthread.php?t=22923

http://forums.maxconsole.net/showthread.php?t=22818

all you need is the top from a cd spindle to get the 360 open. I use a paperclip to get the sides off and you need a star shaped bit...I dont know the actual name. Kits do cut down frustration though

yea true, i just need to look at the dvd tray which i will do when i go back. yea they do help in the long run. i still think if it would be hard to do the flashing with a laptop?

[beanz]

all you need is the top from a cd spindle to get the 360 open. I use a paperclip to get the sides off and you need a star shaped bit...I dont know the actual name. Kits do cut down frustration though
just leave your 360 half opened like i did to reflash..... until i got banned. im totally clean now, it only takes 1 400 dollar lesson for me to learn.

[aaquib5]

So, do you guys think the Fall Update will stop backed up games from being played?

[wigsplitta]

Who knows..... The new firmware is supposed to be stealth but you never know what MS is going to do in order to counter the firmware. Like the readme say ...Use on Live at your own risk. 4 games is well over the cost of a console so you be the judge.

[moneydog96]

Has anyone gotten banned from playing leaks?

[after_burners]

well i play leaks and been fine so far

[laki]

Well, I have one of those old Xtreme firmwares from like 6-10 months ago. Anyway, how to these bans happen? If I play online ONCE with a game, will I be banned in the future? Does MS know and keep me on file or something? I'll only play on LIVE for maybe 2 times a week at most. Does MS do a wave ban on people playing at that moment? How does it work? Thanks!

[lenselijer]

I dont even have xbox live gold and got banned :(

that's my punishment for not doing the upgrade to ixtreme 1.4

[djadamix]

its pretty easy to flash an xbox. like it takes me less than 5 min lol well if u know what are u doin , and u have to have proper hardware like good sata controller and a connectivity kit would be nice lol . well ive been playin online for ever never got banned. i dont know , maybe its a good idea to play all games on offline profile as i do and play only few games online on xbox live profile? i do that and im fine ,

[DeadlyLegion]

Okay, but I am buying my console pre firmware flashed with iXtreme, will it require some equipment to update the firmware? Or am I home free just like with the Wii where you just pop in a CD?

[manias]

Okay, but I am buying my console pre firmware flashed with iXtreme, will it require some equipment to update the firmware? Or am I home free just like with the Wii where you just pop in a CD?

buy a premodded one with a usb thingy installed. it's not as easy as the wii as there is no modchip ;)

[DeadlyLegion]

buy a premodded one with a usb thingy installed. it's not as easy as the wii as there is no modchip ;)

Do you mean something along the lines of this:
http://www.xbox-modchips.com/xbox360-connectivity-kit.htm
or
http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EEVlFFVyFlbHaESGUx.php

[uzi]

if i mod the dvd rom .. will they ban my xbox and gamertag?
i cant find an answer

[wigsplitta]

if i mod the dvd rom .. will they ban my xbox and gamertag?
i cant find an answer

You always run the risk of being banned IF you play backups online. Just disconnect your internet connection if you play backups. Originals will be fine online with custom firmware. They would ban your box but not your tag or Live service.

[Jedi-Jakeyboy]

Playin backups on "live" is normal fine as long as your running the latest ixtreme firmware and your games are properly patched.....!!!

Im running iXtreme 1.4 on my Elite with no problems and not banned...!!!

[Sаtel]

Hi my friend used a pirate copy of halo 3 and cod4 on live and now i think he is banned.

he has a error message saying x, y and numbers etc when he trys to sign in.

we tryed using his hdd in another 360 and it signs in fine.

uzi i am 99% sure they ban your console and not your tag.

[oli84]

how do you check to make sure that a backup is fine for playing without getting banned? i heard that many consoles were banned for using a bad kreon rip..

[Jedi-Jakeyboy]

I always check my games with Xdvdmulleter 10.2 and so far i have not been banned.

You also must make sure you are running the latest ixtreme firmware....

[spawn1980]

I thought it don't matter if you have the latest firmware because some people still get ban with ixtreme 1.4

[wigsplitta]

I thought it don't matter if you have the latest firmware because some people still get ban with ixtreme 1.4

Well, the games must be stealth patched. There may be things they do that are caught in the sweeps. Nobody really know how it really works in the end. If you get banned pick up a warranty seal on EBay and rrod your console....send it in for repair and voila you're unbanned. Either that or get a second unmodded console. The greedy are always caught. Take what you can without being noticed. Remember that.

[onyxx]

I thought it don't matter if you have the latest firmware because some people still get ban with ixtreme 1.4

the only way I can see people get banned with 1.4 is if they had previous firmware and played improperly stealthed games which they would then be logged by m$ and banned at a later date, meaning if you already are on a list to be banned and you upgrade to 1.4 your still on that list and will be banned. Another sure fire way to get banned is breaking a release date.

[NakedFaerie]

I had a console that was banned and RROD so I returned it to M$ and it came back working but refused to connect to live even that it says its not banned so I'm not sure if it can really get unbanned or not? I think they jsut f***ed up when they repaired it. It took them 3 months and finally replaced it completely which messed up all my games. I had to download everything again. Not worth the hassle.

I now have a new refurb console I've used for about 2 hours I want to sell or swap for a PS3 60gig (AUS version) (PM me if interested in it)

I'm not going to stay with M$ anymore after the crap I just went through, I'm happily moving to $ony.

[Jedi-Jakeyboy]

hope you got loads of cash then m8 as nearly 50 quid a game.......lol

[novell]

Hello all, I'm a newbie & i'm considering buying an xbox 360 thats already been flashed with i xtreme 1.2. Will it work on xbox live ? (as long as the games are stealth patched obviously).

p.s. It's a samsung ms28 drive in case that makes any difference.

[DiaBeeTus]

Well, the games must be stealth patched. There may be things they do that are caught in the sweeps. Nobody really know how it really works in the end. If you get banned pick up a warranty seal on EBay and rrod your console....send it in for repair and voila you're unbanned. Either that or get a second unmodded console. The greedy are always caught. Take what you can without being noticed. Remember that.

Apparently, this does not work anymore. MS in many cases checks your MAC address / Serial number against the ban list and if it is on the list for violating the TOS, you may not get it repaired / replaced. In some rare cases, I have heard that they may not return the unit to you at all!
So be aware.

[onyxx]

Hello all, I'm a newbie & i'm considering buying an xbox 360 thats already been flashed with i xtreme 1.2. Will it work on xbox live ? (as long as the games are stealth patched obviously).

p.s. It's a samsung ms28 drive in case that makes any difference.

you need to kreon check your games also if your using 1.2, better off upgrading to 1.4 if you want to be on live.

[Homerzinho]

I've read almost every post in that forum about it, but just to make sure:

I've got a Xbox 360 modded with iXtreme 1.4

I can play my backup games on live or should I only play with original ones?

I know it's a gamble, but are you playing with backup games on live?

From what I've read I CAN play backups on live as long they're stealthed, with the same risk I would get playing originals on live and backups offline.


Is that right?

Can I play backups on live without having to worry too much (worriying the same as playing originals in a modded console)?

[onyxx]

I've read almost every post in that forum about it, but just to make sure:

I've got a Xbox 360 modded with iXtreme 1.4

I can play my backup games on live or should I only play with original ones?

I know it's a gamble, but are you playing with backup games on live?

From what I've read I CAN play backups on live as long they're stealthed, with the same risk I would get playing originals on live and backups offline.


Is that right?

Can I play backups on live without having to worry too much (worriying the same as playing originals in a modded console)?

I personally only play originals online, but you are perfectly able to play backups on xbl but I would assume its more of a risk if your playing a backup on xbl as opposed to an original.

[spawn1980]

Quick Question
Will I get ban just by going online and looking or buying a game from Market place even if I don't have any game in my drive.

I have the latest firmware 1.4

[WTFudge]

no , you won't

[Paranoiddd]

no , you won't
what if I decide to download a patch for a game? (i.e. Eternal Sonata patch that fixes the freezing problem)

[WTFudge]

Use your original copy then

[BeyondInfinity]

Another sure fire way to get banned is breaking a release date.

This isn't technically true, as i've seen people playing games atleast a week before release. I theorise that they would accept people playing 1 possibly 2 weeks before release as there's no section in the TOS that refer to playing games early; correct me if i'm wrong.

[onyxx]

what if I decide to download a patch for a game? (i.e. Eternal Sonata patch that fixes the freezing problem)

you have to have the game disc in and online if you want a patch, you don't need a game disc in if you want download content.


This isn't technically true, as i've seen people playing games atleast a week before release. I theorise that they would accept people playing 1 possibly 2 weeks before release as there's no section in the TOS that refer to playing games early; correct me if i'm wrong.
the only example I have is when Mass Effect and Halo 3 street dates were broken. Those broken release dates lead to a number of bannings. I'm sure there are those that can get away with it, but it is more of a risk if you do break a release date no matter how you justify it.

[ORBITALSPUNK]

Just had to comment on the people reading this thread seaming worried about being banned and then going down the old

"I actually own the game, honest"..

Yeah right..

Regarding the whole MS won't ban us because then they'll lose money..... What money???

After you little scrawny prepubescent runts got your console bought for christmas, what have you paid for (other than the flashing stuff and DVD media perhaps)???

Nothing.

I would guess 99% or more people on XBox live have nothing stolen in their Xbox library.

You might wonder why I'm reading this page for if I'm so clean... Wrong, I'm not clean, I have been known to download stuff that's not mine. But I'm interested in getting my 2nd xbox modified to play system link halo, forza and command and conquer.

It will probably be cheaper for me to just run a modded xbox for those games for when the occasion occurs that I can do a system link game. Otherwise I wouldn't bother buying them all again so it's no skin off anyone's nose imo.

Either way, if I signed onto Live by accident and got banned. I'd laugh. Because I'd know there were you little blighters getting banned too.:D

[bladedog26]

Lol... This is what the difference is between someone stealing parts off a car that you put, and modding your xbox... When you buy an xbox 360, you agree not to mod it (Or at least play the mod online, or take the game for free), you cannot sue them for you breaking a contract. (They don't make you sign a contract saying you cannot modify your car) That would be like you setting a forest fire, then say "I was MODIFYING the forrest" and not get arrested for it. That would be not only retarded, but not right. You agree to the contract, you break the contract, then say it was MS's fault anyway. So now you know the difference, and I hope you learned something. :)
BUT MODDING IS FUN ANYWAY!!! >:D

[onyxx]

Lol... This is what the difference is between someone stealing parts off a car that you put, and modding your xbox... When you buy an xbox 360, you agree not to mod it (Or at least play the mod online, or take the game for free), you cannot sue them for you breaking a contract. (They don't make you sign a contract saying you cannot modify your car) That would be like you setting a forest fire, then say "I was MODIFYING the forrest" and not get arrested for it. That would be not only retarded, but not right. You agree to the contract, you break the contract, then say it was MS's fault anyway. So now you know the difference, and I hope you learned something. :)
BUT MODDING IS FUN ANYWAY!!! >:D

im sure if you can mod your car to get gas for free then they would start making you sign a contract then.:p

[chibiwings]

so basically on a Modded xbox360, Console "I can play online with backed up games with a risk of being banned" and "I can play online with original games without a risk of being banned" :confused:

[onyxx]

so basically on a Modded xbox360, Console "I can play online with backed up games with a risk of being banned" and "I can play online with original games without a risk of being banned" :confused:

its always a risk if you mod anything.

[chibiwings]

its always a risk if you mod anything.

i see..well it much more exciting if there is a risk:p

[zanza]

would it be possible and safer, with blaster360 for example, to flash ur drive back to the original firmware just before some dashboard upgrade or any game update so to be not detected using a modded xbox?after the update then wait to read somewhere on forums of the consequences of the update and then if it's ok flash ur drive with the modified firmware again?

[WTFudge]

The 360 and live doesn't check for stock firmware. What you've heard is just speculation.If you want to be safe, just wait for a Xbox Live Log from C4eva or Momdad on Xbins

[ksamj]

can i play my backups on my xbox live profile OFFLINE to gain points and stuff and then connect to xbox live to just update my gamertag score without placing or playing the games on the cd reader????

will i get cought that my gamescore is from backup games and got banned..????

[saleem]

you play backups on a modded drive online or offline at your own risk of a ban,regardless.
:)

[ksamj]

i will not play online i will play offline to just update my gamescore when i got connected, is it ok or i will still get cought??????

[wigsplitta]

i will not play online i will play offline to just update my gamescore when i got connected, is it ok or i will still get cought??????

Yeah, that's fine. You won't get banned.

[aayman_farzand]

The original post should be updated. Maybe its time this thread is cleaned and post info again including details of stealth backups, firmware etc. i'm new to this, and its difficult finding info here

[Jon_Platt]

Hi, I sent my modded 360 to Microsoft on tuesday and checked the status today and it had changed to in warranty and shipped back to me. Now when I go to check it the site says I have no registered device. Does anyone know why my device has been removed from my account? Does this mean that I will get it back not repaired?

[WL EXT]

i got a question

i have a 360 with a hacked firmware

when trying to log on xbox live they want to update

will they screw my 360 and then i cant play back ups if i updated????

cant wait to play on live. help me

thx

[onyxx]

i got a question

i have a 360 with a hacked firmware

when trying to log on xbox live they want to update

will they screw my 360 and then i cant play back ups if i updated????

cant wait to play on live. help me

thx

is this your first time on live?

[WL EXT]

is this your first time on live?
It Was, but dont bother anymore i have updated and everything is cool
im playing gta iv on live
thx anyway:)

[Wizaro]

My friend just got banned yesterday for 2 weeks he is still lucky just a 2 week ban

[Iqs]

intresting stuff

[onyxx]

My friend just got banned yesterday for 2 weeks he is still lucky just a 2 week ban

sounds like he was mouthing off to much.

[mmattys30]

Hi, I sent my modded 360 to Microsoft on tuesday and checked the status today and it had changed to in warranty and shipped back to me. Now when I go to check it the site says I have no registered device. Does anyone know why my device has been removed from my account? Does this mean that I will get it back not repaired?

just got mine back unrepaired.

[skurwialy]

i dont care about banning etc, and i play online ;d

[Zkejtmen]

If I flash my new 60 gb Xbox and use backup games for Live, will I get banned?

[Skeav]

you play backups on a modded drive online or offline at your own risk of a ban,regardless.

[Zkejtmen]

But if I play original games online and backups offline, may I still get banned?

[defard]

It looks like theres a new wave of bans happening as we speak...my advice is wait till the new update goes live before you bother flashing it

[vipergtsrvp]

ok ill behave :D

[l0ki]

I heard if you swap a lite on for a benq then there is less change you will get banned, is there any truth in that?

[onyxx]

I heard if you swap a lite on for a benq then there is less change you will get banned, is there any truth in that?

The only reason for this theory is that they are very similar drives. I don't think there is any more truth other than that. Its still a mystery in general that any spoofed drive cause a ban or not.

[endorium]

dont think xmicrosoft will ever catch up with people hacking there box. I use to augh when they said it was unhackable!! :)

[FIoRiDa]

Microsoft will never be able to stop us. Besides, it's our legal right to backup games.

[SliCkTRiCkZz]

i guess they're giving 2 week bans to scare you,
whats the chance in being caught with a modded xbox on live?

[rj31]

there is new wave ban if you get banned you warranty gets void

[insanelxr]

well i was banned because i had a modded box so i wouldnt screw around

[Flashburn]

I just wna play backups offline and original games online. Yet there is no proof wether it is safe to play online with original games.

It's pretty fked, though I'd risk getting banned from live, since there are plenty of good games which can be played offline aswell.

Otherwise I'd just buy another box to go live with original games later. Arcade keeps gettin cheaper.

[Ambrose]

im getting my 360 flashed tomorrow hopfully... but i went on live for one last time and i got that update where it changes everything... will i still be able to get it flashed or will that affect it?

[xtreme1]

im completely new to the 360 and am wondering

[wpc]

well the big question is did anyone get ban for flashed drive alone(meaning w/o playing any backup online or hex/gitch any gs)?

[matais]

just be sensible when playing games before the come out, even playing offline :rolleyes:

[dlg058871]

I am wondering if anyone knows if the 1.5 update makes it harder to get banned. I searched but couldnt find anything, thanks in advance!

[clintw]

I have been playing online for over a year with no problems so far.

[dominator]

what if you disconnected your network, as well as taking out your harddrive ?

basically making your system completely offline, and taking out all storage..

maybe having a memory unit that is only ever inserted once the console is offline and without the harddrive..

as far as i can tell, the console has no recollection of having played any backups..

[tech3475]

some quesitons:
1.what is the best way (up to date) way of ensuring that you are not banned or less likely to?
2. what are the chances of being banned just from going on the marketplace?
3. can i buy a second xbox and use my good hdd with the flashed xbox but use a different non-xbl account for backups and my good xbl account for originals on the second xbox.
4. if i just go on to xbl with NO backup in the tray am i fine?

[neslinesli93]

I'm new in xbox hacking

[chrisd]

lives risky

[Ssseth]

The original post should be updated. Maybe its time this thread is cleaned and post info again including details of stealth backups, firmware etc. i'm new to this, and its difficult finding info here
Agreed, I'm in the same boat. It would be great if the original post was updated with more FAQ type information. I have a feeling things have changed in the last 3 years... ;)

I went back and read the last few pages and couldn't find much useful info. Just the standard "it's always a risk". Well I already knew that. :p

[Captain Nemo]

I just run everyhting through abgx and wait until they have a verified rip on thier database, then burn onto 8X verbatim discs at 2.4 speed (45 minute burn) and everything works fine for me.

[davsmith64]

ok,, little update,,

just checked online for my repair status,
and my serial has changed,, .. does this mean that it has been repaired or sending a new one out or are they gunna send mine back unrepaired?
regards dave

[tech3475]

If your serial is changed then it probably means that its a new console.

[mccrimmon]

Been on live for two years without being banned.

Got my console from GWD

[Dirty Wyan]

sweet ill play left 4 dead online.

[Braidles]

Good thread thanks!

[dodger714]

alright im not familiar on how to burn them, when i find a game how come it takes so long to download, it says like iono 10 days till finish downloading. am i doing something wrong please reply??

[saleem]

no talk with regards downloading is allowed.

if you use google there are tons of tutorials which tell you how to burn xbox360 images.
:)

[x DeaDLy]

they prollly will =\

[RavenEffect]

thanks for the info

[tw1g_007]

I hate when that happens.

[dollman9]

excuse me..this is totaly outta subject but can anyone tell me where to find sum stealth files for a new game? dvdmullater an abgx can't fix it...so if ya could head me in right direction would really appreciate:) it k..thanks

[beko21]

how do you make backups of xbox 360 games?

[rickettz]

Thanks for the info

[bwkrazyness]

i want to use xbox live....

[bwkrazyness]

i really do.

[bwkrazyness]

seriously....

[bwkrazyness]

how do you make backups of xbox 360 games?

you flash your dvd drive and burn the game image to a verbatim dual layer disc

[bwkrazyness]

alright im not familiar on how to burn them, when i find a game how come it takes so long to download, it says like iono 10 days till finish downloading. am i doing something wrong please reply??

the game is like 7 gigs so on a 300kbps connection it could take a couple days, your doing it right.

[bwkrazyness]

Been on live for two years without being banned.

Got my console from GWD

whats GWD, have you upgraded your console firmware?

[mrpsp]

whats GWD, have you upgraded your console firmware?



https://www.gameworlddirect.co.uk/

I have used them also, very reliable company :)

[jonneyboimc]

i agree if you want to play xbox live dont flash

[jonneyboimc]

or buy 2 lol only 109 now

[chipshill]

I've used gameworlddirect myself a few times, really good. I have been banned a few times but before them I was fine for months, it was just when I got impatient and played games before release.. oops lol

[carnby24]

Hi,

Just wanna ask, i used my backup to play black ops. My original disk has so many scratches. Recently my 360 got flagged for AP 2.5 and cant play BO backup.
Can i use my original black ops to play on my flagged 360. My 360 has ixtreme 1.6.
Will it play instead of getting a disc is dirty error if i use my original Black Ops Game Disc?

[jakedilla]

Hi,

Just wanna ask, i used my backup to play black ops. My original disk has so many scratches. Recently my 360 got flagged for AP 2.5 and cant play BO backup.
Can i use my original black ops to play on my flagged 360. My 360 has ixtreme 1.6.
Will it play instead of getting a disc is dirty error if i use my original Black Ops Game Disc?
Why don't you just try it instead of asking on a forum.. its not like we have your scratched up disc to test out