I don't know why everyone seems to think that MS can't read or see the firmware. A pc can detect the firmware it has on it's hardware without directly reading the data on it, they can check size crc, name etc with simple programmes without putting them in a editing state. It wouldn't be hard for MS to include a simple firmware check prog to run at boot up, if the firmware doesn't match the ones in it's data base (which would be small so would take next to no time to check against) then it is flagged for the next boot into XBL. They could even do a full test on boot up when the firmware is updated without anyone noticing, which could go some way to explaining bans at the times of firmware updates. The checks don't have be done on line, but it wouldn't be outside the realms of impossibility for thme to include extra integrity checks with new dash updates.
Combine that with intentional release of games on torrents etc by MS with markers that the dash can pickup and flag for next XBL seesion and it would be very simple for MS to find hacked consoles, and very hard to get around.
that said tho, i guess untill the likes of NXE are hacked, we will have no real idea how it's be done.
there is no firmware undetectable
All three boxes running by c4eva with new fw has been banned at the same time. He already failed to cheat M$
if only c4eva and his fellow hackers were fckn greedy to not share this hacked firmware, im pretty damn sure m$ wouldnt have known anyone is playing a pirated copy online and wouldnot have started banning live accounts. the firmware is publish thats why microsoft are able to implement security in their update to block hacks.
also, im pretty damn sure microsoft didnt totally fix rrod because of users who tamper and flash their dvd ddrive with hacked fw. you flash your dvd-drive with hacked firmware in order to play games for free, but once you get rrod, no free fix from m$ now because you void the warranty... whats next you do......1) buy another 360 to play free games. its kinda smart way of m$ battling piracy, but it has huge drawback for legit users because they have to suffer this hardware problem for enternity. lol 2) pay the repair fee that should have been free.
Damn, It's too late for me. My 360 just got banned from live today... =\ Oh well, it probably whould have died soon anyway considering I already have repaired my launch 360 from rrod like 3 times now.
I've been on live for quite some time with this console playing backups ever since hacked firmwares came out.
Don't think I'll be buying a new 360 anytime soon.
i'm pretty shure this firmware flashing for the xbox was started by microsoft themselves at the same time the ps3 was released, considering it is more sophisticated in terms of hardware (7core proc...).Thus the ps3 definetly has a longer life span than the 360 wich will become obsolete soon enough and maybe replaced. This is the whole ideea of buying a 360 now-u can run pirated games on it and even play on live until november , I own a banned 360 and now , after a hdd uncripple i can still play it just fine offline. im very shure the ps3 will eventually be cracked as it gets old and other,more powerfull consoles get launched(xbox 720 maybe) so that it is still desirable by the backup fans.
it's all a marketing skeme that always works!
LT firmware should work with original discs and not ban anyone then, if its truly stealth. Originals shouldn't have any problems like backups right? I Know people with iXtreme1.50 firmware who play online every night and have not been banned yet - you are saying they are spared? NO! the firmwares released were rushed and quickfixes implimented which were unsafe in the actual firmware for the wave rev (SSv2?)
@obsex - MS definatly did not release this. MS make licensing profit of like $15 per title sold (just like PS3), and xbox live is huge.
The devs who got Xbox backups going without any system mods ported it to the 360 as MS didn't change the chipset or encrypt the firmwares (samsung). You can give MS props for that goof and say they aided the 'pirates' by leaving this door open when it was publically clear R&D for this method of loading was almost complete.
If MS launched the 360 with the LiteOns on the market today - we would have to pray and hope for more holes to be found in the unit. I don't think we would be able to get the firmwares from the drive, much less rewrite the instruction sets.. Too bad only one hole has ever been found, we need an 8955 exploit.
wiggim r u sayn that the new liteon driver is unflashable, i heard this before that the 2010 liteon equipped models are pirate proof, cuz i was considering getting a new 360 and try this lt joke see if it's good for something the 1.6 was just fine ...for a year or so