First Xbox 720 'Devkit' leaked details: 8 Core Intel CPU, Nvidia GPU and 8-12GB RAM?

[JonathanD]

I dont believe that before its confirmed.

ATI is more flexible on pricing than NVIDIA, but also cheaper compared to what you get for the bucks.
The industry is run by money these days, because failure is too expensive.
If you put in expensive hardware from a expensive company in a price sensitive market, you are fucked when competitors lowers their prices.

This is where ATI got a leg up over Nvidia when they got bought out by AMD, AMD owns some foundries and can fab there own chips. Nvidia still uses TSMC and thats fine but that also means that TSMC has to have its profit margin too.

That and getting to use some of AMD and in a round about way some of Intel's patents is a nice bonus. Due to a deal AMD and Intel have that keeps them from suing each other for all eternity.

I would bet against Microsoft using Nvidia too.

[Captain N1]

yeah 8-12 gb ram... I call BS. Since when has a console had the same or more ram as current manufactured pcs.
most pc/laptops come with 4-8. and for all those that are wanting uber powerful console get a pc and STFU.
all the **** talking about the wii u and you aint even played it is childish. lets all play one and then see.
if history servers me right then the most powerful consoles are not the best sellers.
n64 vs ps1/ ps2 vs gamecube. ps3 vs wii, psp vs nds. nes vs master system. gameboy vs gamegear
see a pattern here? Nintendo ain't stupid. i don't see why people are hating the tablet controller. it has all the buttons that a standard controller does and more a screen.
its a shame the main user base forgets why we play games. its for the games not the console.
As for NVIDIA maybe they struck and agreement. we don't know what happens inside them companies.

[Diztructor]

here you go again, all i am talking about is end user ownership.
if i'm only renting my console off them, they can charge me alot less, i paid $999 for my australian launch console, so i dont care what sony say, i fucken own it.
i have no hacks, piracy or anything on my launch console, its completely unmodded.
i have another later model ps3 which is at 3.15 and fitted with a glitch switch + i have a psgroove teensy++ made up for it (havent added any homebrew software yet) and yet, i still have no pirated titles....NONE...NADA.
i have 6 PSPs, all hacked and have pirated games for it, bought the ones i like, play around with a bit homebrew. you know what, if i hadnt of pirated PSP games, i would not have bought quite a few titles, one of which i cant get enough of (Every Extend Extra)
the most pirated consoles also have the highest selling (notice that word SELLING) games.
dont be a puppet your whole life and have a LOOK yourself instead of spouting that crap that you inevitably spout everytime someone brings up sony and rights in the same sentence.

heres simple for you.

you own the playstation console, you do not own the brand, you do not own the software.

all software is licensed to you, and this license has terms, its clearly written in the manual.

sony made clear that features are subject to change in fw updates to either add features or improve stability and security.

the fact you cant get this basically points to the fact you dont like how they handled hackers.

sony has done exactly the same as MS and Nintendo have done, theyve released updates that remove the hack and updates its security, only difference is really, that sony removed what was been used to hack, this was the breach in the software (which you do not own, sony did not charge you, you did not pay for full licence, you paid for a product that came with, which had license agreement) thefore was removed in order to improve its security.

just like Nintendo updates remove Homebrew channel and other features that could have been installed (regardless if it was used to launch pirated games or not, it was removed aka same thing)

MS again dashboard updates to prevent in some cases modded drives from working, updates on games to prevent playing on modded drives.

all 3 systems have taken the similar steps to prevent hacks, only BIG difference is, SONY KNOWS JUST LIKE THE OTHER 2 SYSTEMS, NO MATTER WHAT PATCHES/UPDATES THEY DO, HACKERS WILL STILL FIND A WAY AROUND, so they took legal action.

the BS comment of highest selling consoles is down to piracy is your way of trying to say that consoles should allow this because theyll get more sales... again BS, if this was the case then games wouldnt be selling millions within days would they if what you say was true.

dont be a puppet, learn something pal, look at what i quoted, now who is the puppet, you seem to think in this world that consoles accept hacks. erm no they dont, your like the others you simply b1tch because sony has blocked your pirate ready ps3 to 3.55 (or lower) end of the story little boy.

[Diztructor]

yeah 8-12 gb ram... I call BS. Since when has a console had the same or more ram as current manufactured pcs.
most pc/laptops come with 4-8. and for all those that are wanting uber powerful console get a pc and STFU.
all the **** talking about the wii u and you aint even played it is childish. lets all play one and then see.
if history servers me right then the most powerful consoles are not the best sellers.
n64 vs ps1/ ps2 vs gamecube. ps3 vs wii, psp vs nds. nes vs master system. gameboy vs gamegear
see a pattern here? Nintendo ain't stupid. i don't see why people are hating the tablet controller. it has all the buttons that a standard controller does and more a screen.
its a shame the main user base forgets why we play games. its for the games not the console.
As for NVIDIA maybe they struck and agreement. we don't know what happens inside them companies.

i think this is BS and refairing to when EA made claims that they would like next gen systems to have this ammount of memory, or was it crysis that they said would run perfect with these resources.

but if these are near to what MS are going to do, well we can expect during its consoles life to see some great looking games and more things going on at the same time, shame nintendo will be left behind........ again innovating feck all in games (fad controlls are not innovative, my ipad can play games in the exact same way)

[mattias800]

yeah 8-12 gb ram... I call BS. Since when has a console had the same or more ram as current manufactured pcs.
most pc/laptops come with 4-8. and for all those that are wanting uber powerful console get a pc and STFU.
all the **** talking about the wii u and you aint even played it is childish. lets all play one and then see.
if history servers me right then the most powerful consoles are not the best sellers.
n64 vs ps1/ ps2 vs gamecube. ps3 vs wii, psp vs nds. nes vs master system. gameboy vs gamegear
see a pattern here? Nintendo ain't stupid. i don't see why people are hating the tablet controller. it has all the buttons that a standard controller does and more a screen.
its a shame the main user base forgets why we play games. its for the games not the console.
As for NVIDIA maybe they struck and agreement. we don't know what happens inside them companies.

Devkit units usually have twice the amount of RAM than the actual console. So that it can fit debugging tools in there as well. So the console would have 4-6 GB RAM.

[trancehead]

heres simple for you.

you own the playstation console, you do not own the brand, you do not own the software.

all software is licensed to you, and this license has terms, its clearly written in the manual.

sony made clear that features are subject to change in fw updates to either add features or improve stability and security.

the fact you cant get this basically points to the fact you dont like how they handled hackers.

sony has done exactly the same as MS and Nintendo have done, theyve released updates that remove the hack and updates its security, only difference is really, that sony removed what was been used to hack, this was the breach in the software (which you do not own, sony did not charge you, you did not pay for full licence, you paid for a product that came with, which had license agreement) thefore was removed in order to improve its security.

just like Nintendo updates remove Homebrew channel and other features that could have been installed (regardless if it was used to launch pirated games or not, it was removed aka same thing)

MS again dashboard updates to prevent in some cases modded drives from working, updates on games to prevent playing on modded drives.

all 3 systems have taken the similar steps to prevent hacks, only BIG difference is, SONY KNOWS JUST LIKE THE OTHER 2 SYSTEMS, NO MATTER WHAT PATCHES/UPDATES THEY DO, HACKERS WILL STILL FIND A WAY AROUND, so they took legal action.

the BS comment of highest selling consoles is down to piracy is your way of trying to say that consoles should allow this because theyll get more sales... again BS, if this was the case then games wouldnt be selling millions within days would they if what you say was true.

dont be a puppet, learn something pal, look at what i quoted, now who is the puppet, you seem to think in this world that consoles accept hacks. erm no they dont, your like the others you simply b1tch because sony has blocked your pirate ready ps3 to 3.55 (or lower) end of the story little boy.

little boy. LMAO oh my god i have pubic hair older than you. and......nah fuckit, i'm not doin this, have fun livin up sony's arse

[DEDDOA]

I gues it could be right, if you taki into account he usuall dev kit enhncements like faster CPU, more RAM and storage space that ios there as it has to do mor than just run the games then it doesn't seem that much of a stretch of the imagination. As for the nvidia card, I guess if the console is DX based as claimed, then it won't really matter what card it has so long as it supports the same feature set tho likley it would be one with more oomph than the retail on as again it has to do more than just play the game, so scale it back a bit and you have what looks like a rough idea of the release specsif not the actual factual ones.

[Battlefield]

i think this is BS and refairing to when EA made claims that they would like next gen systems to have this ammount of memory, or was it crysis that they said would run perfect with these resources.

but if these are near to what MS are going to do, well we can expect during its consoles life to see some great looking games and more things going on at the same time, shame nintendo will be left behind........ again innovating feck all in games (fad controlls are not innovative, my ipad can play games in the exact same way)

Where is the hardware buttons and analogue stick hidden on iFad?

[billysastard]

Where is the hardware buttons and analogue stick hidden on iFad?

in the space where the brain would be on a normal human?


ps, seen this weeks sales figures? wii beat vita as vita sank below 10k yet again?

[Diztructor]

Where is the hardware buttons and analogue stick hidden on iFad?

lolz missed the part i call it a IFAD, its a tablet with fecking buttons.

but this is the point, nintendo focus so much on adding fad controllers to make a system sound better than what it actually is, a last gen machine, cheap to produce, slap a cheap price tag but still rake the money in.

and during this, the console falls behind hence the wii u having last gen games ported to it.

@billy.

nintendo consoles allways sell more, not disputing that, but the fact is, nintendo are allways behind, nintendo are cheap and id rather buy a console that actually offers something new, not just a gimmick controller, i know nintendo are offering a controller, but they did last time but did anyone support it?? not really and its likely to be the same again.

and personally i will avoid this system mainly because its porting last gen games and cant see how adding DS type gaming is going to make any improvement....

WOW I can see my map if i take my eyes off the screen and look down. WOW i can select a weapon if i do the same.....
DUDE CHILL OUT, i can do all this too with the press of a button, while still looking at the screen.

so any how back to topic, again, if these specs are real then we know this will p1ss all over nintendo, especially that theyre scare to post their specs because we will see its just another ps3/360.

i think people have a problem that i have reasons not to love nintendo, solely because of what their systems are (i used to love nintendo64 but came the GC wasnt bad, then the wii well sorry since this all i see is old cheap systems with BS controllers)

[Diztructor]

ps, seen this weeks sales figures? wii beat vita as vita sank below 10k yet again?

wii is a console, vita is a handheld, is that all you can go on about tho, recall back to Monster Hunter, the PSP kicked both the Wii plus DS sales combined so whats your point billy.

sales of a console does not mean its the better system, its the games that makes a system, and its games that nintendo allways lack, hence them getting ported to nintendo next last gen revam system.

but think of it like this, its rather emarasin that sonys handheld can run games that look equal to the wii, in some cases close to the 360/ps3 which are consoles

[billysastard]

wii is a console, vita is a handheld, is that all you can go on about tho, recall back to Monster Hunter, the PSP kicked both the Wii plus DS sales combined so whats your point billy.

sales of a console does not mean its the better system, its the games that makes a system, and its games that nintendo allways lack, hence them getting ported to nintendo next last gen revam system.

but think of it like this, its rather emarasin that sonys handheld can run games that look equal to the wii, in some cases close to the 360/ps3 which are consoles

ahh yes, monster hunter, the game that is on the 3ds now and sold more on that platform than the vita sold in hardware on its launch week.

the point is bloody obvious, the wii is utterly dead, waiting to be replaced, yet the vita is a reasonably new console that is selling less than the wii in a country that simply loves its handhelds.

do you even understand your second paragraph? at best guess its your usual fanboy drivel, go check out god of war saga then talk about releasing the same thing over again.

oh and whilst the wii is a home console and the vita is a handheld its size is such that it comes in the category of home handheld like the dsill or 3dsll for many people.

[Diztructor]

ahh yes, monster hunter, the game that is on the 3ds now and sold more on that platform than the vita sold in hardware on its launch week.

the point is bloody obvious, the wii is utterly dead, waiting to be replaced, yet the vita is a reasonably new console that is selling less than the wii in a country that simply loves its handhelds.

do you even understand your second paragraph? at best guess its your usual fanboy drivel, go check out god of war saga then talk about releasing the same thing over again.

oh and whilst the wii is a home console and the vita is a handheld its size is such that it comes in the category of home handheld like the dsill or 3dsll for many people.

again with console sales, take your head out your a55 and look at one thing, nintendo yes get a massive head start but like you say, the wii is dead, yet sony/ms consoles set off to a slow start, but they keep showing an increase over the years. as soon as nintendo release a new system its last one is dead, look at the cube, then compare to the ps2, how it managed to keep selling years after all 3 next gen systems was out, not sure if the ps2 is still selling now.

unlike nintendo, sony/ms release systems that have the resources to keep going.

nintendo are just cheap, they lack the great games, hence the games been ported to the wii u which nintendo fanboys missed simply because nintendo are cheap feckers.

so why should i love a system that is behind and all it has is a fecking fancy sh1tty motion controller when i hate motion controlls regardless of the system, because cr@p motion controllers lead to sh1t shovel ware/recycle ware repetitive games.

this is why i hate the wii, it was full of the same sh1t, you mention god of war, if youve actually sat and played 1 - 3 and can still say its exactly the same thing, yet defend nintendo when erm princess kidnapped, enter a world, collect stars, save the princess over n over or princess kidnapped enter dungeon, kill boss, get master sword save princess, isnt the same sh1t over n over then you my friend are blind. GoW has a different story and PLOT in each game, mario and zelda dont its the same sh1t just different location.

nintendo used to allways be the best system, but now i cant stand them, if nintendo also offered the great games that the other systems get then i wouldnt have a problem, if nintendo also offered more exclusives that arent mario/zelda or the party cr@p the wii had like 360 had GoW PS3 had uncharted, then id like the systems, but till then, like the 3DS its a sack o cr@p and waste of money to only have 5 games worth playing.

and stop thinking motion controllers are the best thing to force as a primary controller, motion controll games are something you enjoy for 5-10 mins then its boring

[Signa]

id rather buy a console that actually offers something new,

So how has anything Sony has done in the last 10 years impressed you? There's not much that has changed in the way you interact with your games from them. I bet you could have made the whole GoW trilogy on the PS1, and gameplay wouldn't have suffered. Sure, it looked a HELL of a lot better on the PS2/3, but nothing about those systems enabled it to be as it was over an older console. The same goes for Microsoft.

At least when you mix things up with a new controller, you can get someone inspired to do something different at least once. It just comes down to how the games are implemented around that controller. Yes, the Wii failed to innovate, but that wasn't the fault of the controller, just the lack of imagination of everyone using the Wii to make games. Treating the Wii U as dead in the water just because you haven't thought of a good way to use the screen is folly. Personally, Nintendo has failed me in other ways that I don't care about the Wii U, but it is pure hypocrisy to call it a gimmick while you are looking for innovation from companies that refuse to change.

Oh, and Nintendo isn't cheap. At least not through the course of their history. You've never heard of Nintendium? Cheap is Microsoft releasing a console with a 30% failure rate, and not fixing it for several revisions.

[billysastard]

again with console sales, take your head out your a55 and look at one thing, nintendo yes get a massive head start but like you say, the wii is dead, yet sony/ms consoles set off to a slow start, but they keep showing an increase over the years. as soon as nintendo release a new system its last one is dead, look at the cube, then compare to the ps2, how it managed to keep selling years after all 3 next gen systems was out, not sure if the ps2 is still selling now.

funny you should say that, sony posted more massive losses today including for the first time from its playstation division so despite its vast superiority over the wii the actual fact is that like the wii both the 360 and ps3 are considered "tired" are are not selling that great (although better than wii since wii already has its replacement announced), the power of the console just doesnt seem to equate to its useable lifespan, yes, the wii as the least powerful dropped off first at around the 5 year point when previous console cycles have ended and the ps3 / 360 have lasted a couple of years longer before they too are heading the same way but the fact is this gen is over for most people, gamers already have their systems and unlike every previous gen prices havent dropped low enough to hit the magical price points to drag in the very poorest end of the market, who knows, maybe this new ps3 super slim 16gb may get close but at present ignoring the 360 in this case the sales of ps3 are double that of wii however double the sales of a dead system really isnt anything to shout about, of course that isnt sonys fault its just the end of life market and both ps3 and wii are selling around what the ps2 was selling 5 years ago, the exception to this is the psp which despite its age is doing great at keeping its traditionally low sales at its normal levels with some fantastic spikes still happening.

all the above relates only to japan as sadly its the only country where completely accurate and regular figures are released. (although you wont want to hear it, only nintendo release their actual sales figures and even then only on a quarterly basis for all regions)