Apple vs. Samsung: The Battle Continues...

[garyopa]

More updates on the 'mythical' patent wars trial.



Check out how the Apple vs. Samsung case is doing: Apple presents more evidence, ask Samsung pay billions for damages, says 'Android is designed to lead companies to imitate the iPhone', and more!

That's right, the Apple vs. Samsung trial continues. And it seems Apple is kinda taking the lead...

Here are some of the key events that happened this week:

- Apple details 2010 presentation to Samsung on Android patent infringement.

As evidence, Apple showed a presentation that they supposedly brought to top Samsung executives to say Samsung was ripping off its products.

The 67-page presentation was presented on August 4, 2010, according to Boris Teksler, Apple's director of patent licensing and strategy.

In short, here are the things Apple says are the key issues:

• Samsung is a key Apple partner
• The Android software platform makes extensive use of Apple intellectual property...without Apple's permission
• Android is designed to lead companies to imitate the iPhone product design and strategy
• Samsung's choice to use Android without a license undermines Samsung's greater relationship with Apple

Yep, according to that, Google's Android OS is also a culprit.

Apple breaks down what it believe to be infringements in multiple parts of Google's Android OS, including the runtime, libraries, application framework, applications layer, and the "Android ecosystem" at large. Also included are things that ended up in Apple's initial lawsuit, including screenshots of the home screen, certain apps, and Samsung's packaging.

So, it's now Android too, eh?

You can see the full Presentation HERE.

- Apple asked Samsung to pay as much as $30 per Android phone and $40 per tablet for patent licenses.

Seems that Apple had made overtures in the past towards Samsung in an effort to secure a licensing deal that would cover patents it believed were being infringed.

In court documents released today, we now learn that Apple had a dollar figure in mind in an October 2010 meeting — it was proposing that Samsung pay a base rate of $30 per touchscreen phone (Android, Windows Phone, Symbian, and Bada alike) and $40 per tablet, decreasing to $30 over the course of two years. "Samsung should respond favorably," Apple's slide deck notes.

Also, right now Apple is seeking damages in excess of $1.98B when you combine all Galaxy S and Galaxy S II US smartphone variants.

That sum jumps to $2.45 billon when you factor in all hardware under dispute.

Apple wants $1.346B in damages from US variants of the original Galaxy S line alone. As we noted in yesterday's report, Sprint's Epic 4G was the highlight of that hardware generation, and Apple demands $325M from those profits. The second largest damages request is over AT&T's once-popular Samsung Captivate, from which it believes it is entitled to $202M.

When it comes to the Galaxy S II, Cupertino's figures call for $642M in profits. Once again, Sprint was Samsung's most lucrative partner thanks to the Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch — though Apple argues that is attributable to consumer confusion more than anything else.

- Confidential Apple and Samsung sales numbers revealed in court filing.

And finally, it looks like both Apple and Samsung "lifted the curtain" for some of its devices sales figures, for the first time (like the iPod Touch).

Samsung:

Samsung's filing reveals that it has sold 21.25 million "accused" phones and 1.4 million tablets from June 2010 to June of this year, and further breaks down the data by device and, in some cases, carrier. The Galaxy S II, for instance, takes the lion's share of US sales with over 4.1 million units sold between all models and carriers. The Epic 4G makes an appearance at 1.89 million sold, and the Captivate totals in at 1.39 million. Finally, the Samsung Prevail lives up to its moniker by netting 2.25 million in sales, lagging only behind the Galaxy S II -- though its $180 asking price brought in significantly less revenue per unit.

And here is Apple's data:

Apple's charts are a bit less specific, detailing the total sales of its iPhone, iPad and iPod Touch lines rather than the sales of each specific hardware iteration -- though where it falters in detail it makes up in numbers. U.S. consumers have snatched up 85 million iPhones since 2007, alongside 34 million iPads and 46 million iPod touch devices -- bringing in almost $80 billion in revenue, collectively.

So, this is far from over. Who will win? Stay tuned, as we'll probably know it in the upcoming weeks!

NEWS SOURCE #1: Here's Apple's original copying presentation to Samsung (via) CNET
NEWS SOURCE #2: Apple Samsung patent royalty rates (via) TheVerge

Our thanks to 'Gauss' for this news item!

[IJTF_Cinder]

Apple makes entire use of the open source community...without permission, or even so much as a thank you. On that premise alone, **** you Apple...if you're going to cite someone else copying your software, at least make your own to begin with.

[billysastard]

obviously i hope the patent trolls at apple lose this lawsuit but even more i hope that once its over Samsung wait for an opportune moment to say fu*k you to apple and refuse to supply them with screens etc, i doubt there is another company who could pick up manufacture of the apple screens fast enough to see at least one generation of new i-crap crash and burn because it had no stocks at launch, heck if Samsung loose this case they could claim they were forced to stop production to save costs so they could pay the fines.


i wonder what the losses to samsung would be if they lose and have to withdraw from sale their major products along with fines and fees compared to simply pulling out of the corrupted states of america and not paying anything, i wonder how much damage that would do to the american economy at what is already a bad time after all they could still sell in canada and mexico, if they did that it would be a hard lesson for the courts in other countries not to side with the trolls.

[IJTF_Cinder]

The worst part is Apple's products are so plain and generic looking it's hard to not look similar, unless you add unnecessary things to it...which people don't want.

A frigging touchscreen only anything, is going to have that generalized look, period.

[msanchez]

Android copying IOS? yeah sure, from where I'm standing it's more the other way around. The testicles on these douches are just incredible. These aholes have been mooching off the work *nix people for years and they wanna get all testy about intellectual property? I'll give apple that touchwiz looks way too much like icrap, but as far as physical design it's pretty easy to claim the iphone is being copied, but then again if we go back a few years then samsung, nokia, and everybody else can sue the iphone for copying the candy bar design... the only thing "revolutionary" about the iphone design was larger screen and fewer buttons.

Not to mention after you get rid of crapwiz samsung phones are better than igarbage by leaps and bounds... oh that's right iholes know this and that's why they are so scared.

[DEDDOA]

The likes of the SII and the Samsung Tablets must have really given the iCrap a real pasting then if they are this agressive in their blatant atempt to force the Samsung phones off the market.

Well i have been wondering which company to switch to now that Sony fully control SE, if Samsung have a Windows8 phone on the way then they will be my company of choice thanks to Apple.