Article: Microsoft: PSN hacking is very, very bad for industry

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      ms should have said something along the lines of:'we've been interested in getting hacked for some time (long before sony got hacked) and we think we could get hacked better.'this response would have been hilarious the day after the hacks... talk about it sony style "you may be the first ones to publically announce it, but we've been doing it all along'.
       
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      If it was just Sony that was hacked, it may have been different. But because everyone is getting hacked they have a reason to be scared, it's not a matter of if but a matter of when now.
       
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      Wow, I have to give kudos to microsoft to act mature as a company and as a rival to sony to even showing some sympaathy to what happened.I know that it's a longshot of sony learned something of the recent attack, I would really been excited if sony even have long plans of updating the software on the console it self because the tiny updates that don't do anything is just annoying. I am looking forward to see sony take a different approach on PS3 firmware as microsoft did.
       
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      What's interesting is that so far MS seems pretty untouchable in all of the hacking that's been going on. They must've already closed the door on some of the vulnerabilities and exploits that the different groups have been using to hack other sites and online databases. That in itself shows that a large majority of the companies out there are definitely not running those "windows updates" like they should. :D
       
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      Difference is Microsoft is a software company, Sony no.
       
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      Not for nothing, but it's likely an act of reciprocity. Sony didn't go on a warpath and blow up the Red Ring of Death during public events...so I would expect Microsoft do the same. Jabs about this sort of thing in games is amusing, but I think that's as far as they're willing to take it, which is good; harmless fun. Pretty sure that while the fanboys rage and fight hard, the CEOs of these companies probably play golf together and hit each other up to go clubbin'.
       
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      Personally I think ms has taken advantage of the situation, and even with this statement they continue to do so. In light of sony's actions ms, in the eyes of many, can do no wrong. IF they would have made fun of sony for their ineptitude, the really they would only have been inviting some bad karma their way. Being things are as they are, no company out there should talk as if they are above getting hacked, cause that's just putting a bullseye on yourself.

      Truth is any company can suffer at the hands of hackers as sony has... ok so maybe not as often, or by the same flaws, but stuff will still happen to any company that attracts as much as attention as sony did.

      At this moment, arrogance is a costly commodity.
       
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      Notice he said PSN hacking not PS3.
      MS is pretty serious about Xbox Live hackers.
      The 360 has been thoroughly hacked.
      On the consoles its all about disc access and game hacking, which they dont pursue as readily.
      Online Access is ultimately the driving force, more valuable than the consoles themselves.
      Its all about the games they can sell, not the games that got ripped off.
      Its hard to ripoff a game sold online only and the profits are better.
      No media, boxes or manuals, universal/instant delivery channel, tied to a unique user account, easy to monitor and instantly ban-able.
      The disc games that are most valuable often require and have more value when paired with an online game service.
      Attack that online service and it immediately effects the bottom line for many games, not just the pirated ones.
       
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      How true. To be honest I was completely oblivious to something so obvious. I mean the game can still be ripped off, but there's less of an investment to distribute games online, so you start making money sooner.

      Anyways, I also forgot to mention that this "very, very bad" depends on point of view. You could also say that it was a very needed rude awakening for the gaming industry. Quite frankly it seems that they (game publisher/developers/console manufacturers) thought that the most they had to worry about was some kid glitching on an online match.
       
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      it seems no one remembers the recent web site hack that gave points/credit to people who exploited it for xbl....or the pepsi points exploit when MS was giving away 360s.....it's not quite to the extent of PSN, but - every company in some form has been exploited/hacked at one time or another.
       
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      I actually was forgetting all about that :p

      However, I think we all agree that it wasn't the fact that sony got hacked, as much as the way they handled things that has made the situation a fail the likes of which we've never known... well the fact that user info was compromised, or that they continued to get hacked day after day is a pretty big factor in the failness too.

      Lastly, kind of telling that when people hack ms they do it because they want some shady benefit (ms points in this case... maybe that's the reason nobody is bothered if ms decides to pursue a court case against them). On the other hand people were hacking sony just because, I would even say the recent hacks' aim seems to be purely to screw sony. If they weren't, you'd think they would hold onto the info themselves, instead of just leaking it.

      Anywho, as I said:

       
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      F-ck you Microsoft. MS has not managed to make a secure operation system after 40 years! Still over 70% of PCs are infected with virus/malware. MS should shut up about security since they are the biggest problem.
       
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      ummm... what? ms is being sympathetic just so you know. You are right about the OS though, but at least they do patch the problems... as far as the 70% of infected PCs, that's more to do with the user than the tool; I've been dual-booting Ubuntu/Debian/Slackware and windows for years, and I don't remember the last time I had a virus; not saying I'm impervious to virus' attacks, but I sure as hell don't go test my luck; also... you are aware why windows pcs are the ones that get the most amount of malware/viruses right? and it's not because they are the least secure.

      Anyways, even linux is unsafe if you don't update your software, ask sony, they'll verify these claims.
       
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      At least Microsoft are taking things seriously, but I think what they may need to remember here is to avoid the same situation by being a good company and treating customers right.. it may not be just about security here?

      What pleases me most about this is that Microsoft are not making fun or taking pot shots at Sony, they're taking their responsibility seriously and are talking to the customer. It's easy to bash in this situation.. and they've been very big about this realising that they're not immune in this world of computer security... nobody is.

      Microsoft do have a good approach to security these days for a company with such a large market share and that still has to be respected, it's still possibly better than the approach other companies may be taking in the same arena. At the end of the day pro-active response while keeping customers well informed about measures taken may be the best approach.
       
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      so true people still don't understand that windows is the most used software why the **** would a hacker target something almost no one uses. as for linux being unhackable just look at the android phones people gain root access to the os all the time they patch, hackers get back right in lol so think if someone makes a virus for linux and they could probably find a way to gain root access and then your fucked.
       
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      its hard to forget those things when you benefit from them ;)

      my launch 360 was prelaunch from mountain dew :)

      im topped up to live until the end or 2012 or 2013 i forget thanks to netflix/ms and ive still got about 10 000 points left.. all free, care of microsoft and or 3rd parties hosting something for ms.

      but definately, nothing like a security breach itself.
       
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      Yes and also disc sales on ps3 are more than xbox in many countries. Xbox360 is been hacked from the day it arrived. How much % of xbox owners have modified their console to play pirated discs and MS supports them, it attracts customers more than what the system can deliver which leaves ps3 far behind in deciding which console to buy coz I personally own a game shop. PSN and Xbox live hacking are bad but modifying your console to play rip off games is good. Thnx geohot to make ps3 more valuable. At the time MS is on their Best in providing better security better online blah blah and ofcourse easiest way to modify ur console save ur bucks and enjoy, I’m happy keep it up!. In Asia xbox360 discs are only collecting dust in 75% of the stores.
       
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      The lulz are strong in that comment :D

      Apparently not enough that the ps3 can sell more software than the 360.

      In the same breath you should curse sony for making it invaluable again.

      Apparently there's not that many gamers in Asia then, cause 360 sales used to/do/will continue to destroy ps3 game sales.

      I still don't get the animosity towards ms in this particular topic... God knows they give us ample reasons to think of them as douche bags, but they are actually being civilized and well... nice, and you guys are acting like they are making fun of sony?.... go figure. Oh well, continue thinking that way if you must... don't really get it, but hey not my problem. Maybe you'd like to have your opinions be more reflective of reality though, cause a lot of your post seems to be based on some different world.
       
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      the OS isn't the problem, its the people who use it. as mentioned by others, its all about popularity. i liked the comparison to android phones (based on linux) being ROOTED (aka hacked) every day. they are updated with patches and rooted again. no different to windows and yes mac. problem is, linux distros and mac do not have the market share ms does for operating systems. with linux, there is so many different variations of the os that itself protects you. alot of linux exploits are through 3rd party apps, no different from windows.

      in the end, whatever os has the biggest foothold in the market will always be the highest in vulnerability due to there being more idiots running it.

      the psn hacks are indeed a prime example as they were linux based OS's being hacked. all because of the people running the servers. had it been someone competent it likely wouldn't have happened.
       

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