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Article: PS3 Blu-ray drive just got made obsolete?

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    what i dont understand with sony if there's no more competition, why cant they fckn lower those br movies for chris sake. they want more money right... why cant they decrease the damn br movies and find a way to produce this bdr at low cost to compensate the low pricing of bd movies, so that everyone is happy enjoyin their *own* ( not rented) bd movies at home.
     
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    To say something is futureproof for further evolutions of a technology and then to show it isn't within two years is also silly. I see what everyone is saying here some points more valuable than others. But even if it's only use right now is archiving, We were told yet more lies by Sony marketing.
     
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    It's about money, you're getting something extra they'll charge more for it.
    Blu-Ray prices are better now though when i first started they were £20 a movie.
    Now i will pay £2 extra for most movies and £5 for others the prices drop very fast too.
    It may cost more but i do think the quality is worth it, some of these movies in HD are absolutely amazing.
     
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    whats bad is they didnt start making this tech today. they have known about it. Its approved now. So Sony knew and also helped planned for this to happen.
    They left that out of their E3 showing.


    Who knows maybe apple or someone will make a format too and we can have a format war again.
     
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    Like upgrading from dvd to buying all the same movies you owned on blu-ray. Now you will have to buy the same movies again on the 3-d blu-ray version. Watch...... I can see the commercials now... "its been remastered in stunning 3-d like you have never experienced before"...then "relive classics like jaws, so reel you can almost feel the water splash on you, also included on this disk is the non 3-d version and reg dvd version all for the low low price of just $49.99 per movie."
     
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    LMFAO

    As MANY people have said already throughout this thread to no avail..........................

    ................this is irrelevant and has nothing to do with the current generation of either games consoles or BluRay players. This is just an extra specification format for a high capacity storage media for use by large companies and corporations to safely and cheaply backup their data.

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    Blu-ray Disc Association Announces Additional Format Enhancements

    LOS ANGELES --(Business Wire)-- Apr 03, 2010 The Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) today announced two new media specifications that use Blu-ray Disc technology to provide targeted functionality for commercial and consumer applications. The specifications for BDXL™ (High Capacity Recordable and Rewritable discs) and IH-BD (Intra-Hybrid discs) are expected in the next few months.

    The BDXL specification, which is targeted primarily at commercial segments such as broadcasting, medical and document imaging enterprises with significant archiving needs, will provide customers with write-once options on 100GB and 128GB capacity discs and rewritable capability on 100GB discs. The discs reach these capacities by incorporating three to four recordable layers. A consumer version of BDXL is also expected, particularly in those regions where BD recorders have achieved broad consumer acceptance.

    "Professional industries have expressed a desire to find optical disc solutions that enable them to transition away from magnetic media for their archiving needs," said Victor Matsuda, Blu-ray Disc Association Global Promotions Committee chair. "Leveraging Blu-ray Disc to meet this need provides professional enterprises with a compact, stable and long term solution for archiving large amounts of sensitive data, video and graphic images using a proven and widely accepted optical technology."

    The Intra-Hybrid Blu-ray Disc (IH-BD) incorporates a single BD-ROM layer and a single BD-RE layer so as to enable the user to view, but not overwrite, critical published data while providing the flexibility to include relevant personal data on the same physical disc. This allows for consumer specific applications where combining published content with related user data on a convenient, single volume is desirable. Both the ROM and the RE layers on IH-BD discs provide 25GB of capacity.

    Because both BDXL and IH-BD are specially designed formats with specific market segments in mind, newly-designed hardware is required to play back or record BDXL or IH-BD media. However, because the new media specifications are extensions of current Blu-ray Disc technology, future BDXL and IH-BD devices can be designed to support existing 25GB and 50GB Blu-ray Discs.

    About Blu-ray DiscTM

    Blu-ray DiscTM is the next-generation optical disc format for high definition audio-video and high-capacity data software applications. A single-layer Blu-ray Disc holds up to 25 gigabytes of data and a double-layer Blu-ray Disc holds up to 50 gigabytes of data.

    About the Blu-ray Disc Association

    The Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) is responsible for promoting and developing business opportunities for Blu-ray Disc - the next-generation optical disc format for storing high-definition movies, games, photos and other digital content. The BDA has more than 170 members. Its Board of Directors consists of individuals affiliated with the following member companies: Apple Inc., Dell Inc., Hewlett-Packard Company, Hitachi, Ltd., Intel Corporation, LG Electronics Inc., Mitsubishi Electric Corporation, Oracle Corporation, Panasonic Corporation, Pioneer Corporation, Royal Philips Electronics, Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd., Sharp Corporation, Sony Corporation, TDK Corporation, Technicolor, Twentieth Century Fox, Walt Disney Pictures and Television, and Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc.

    The Blu-ray DiscTM name and Blu-ray DiscTM logo are registered trademarks of the Blu-ray Disc Association.

    BDXL™ is a trademark of the Blu-ray Disc Association.


    SOURCE - http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/03/blu-ray-discs-expand-to-128gb-under-new-bdxl-spec/
     
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    Some of them are really worth it though. Blade Runner, Poltergeist, Rambo and plenty of others look stunning in HD. You just have to decide what makes a sensible purchase on Blu-Ray. Having watched Dead Space on blu-ray i should of just gone for DVD on the other hand Hancock looks insane.
     
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    to cheaply backup data? I don't think so. If you want to backup data cheaply you would still use hard drives. it would be much cheaper than using discs. Based on how expensive blu-ray blank discs are I can only imagine how expensive these would be.
     
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    from the link you sourced.


    If what everyone is concerned about wasnt true then why doesn't sony just come out and say its not gonna be for consumers and its only gonna be used for businesses?

    Because at first the price will be so high thats the only place it will be used. But in time it will be made for consumers.
     
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    4k would require roughly 10tb for the average film, which makes bdxl obsolete too.
    As for 2k, avatar isn't that long a film, and 2048 × 1536 isn't that much more than 1920x1080, the average length film in 1080p takes roughly 14gb, so avatar in 2k hd would take about 22gb, and lord of the rings would go from 19.9gb to something like 28gb, that'd still easily fit on a 50gb bdrom.
    In addition to that theres also the part where half of the current HDTV's on the market will onyl do at best 720p / 1080i, the rest being sub-hd oldschool plasmas or 1080p natives, the number of tv's that even support past 1080p is miniscule.

    To put it bluntly, pulling out future video formats that are still in prototype stages, that no current company makes home displays for, to defend the argument that "sony lied to us" and the ps3 "isn't as future proof as they claimed", is rather rediculous.

    We will be many years into the NEXT generation of consoles before the average joe can walk in to blockbuster and rent a 4k movie, or walk in to an electronics store and buy a 2k+ tv.
     
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    Blank BluRay media is NOT expensive...........

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Traxdata-Bl...4?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1277753338&sr=1-4

    Bear in mind that each of THESE disks holds around 5x the data content of a single layer DVDR. That is the equivalent of 50 single layer DVDR stored on this pack of 10 Bluray 25GB's.

    Now please, once and for all, can we all agree that BluRay blank media is NOT expensive?
     
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    The day a retail blu-ray movie is released that will not play on the PS3 is the day they have lied, until that day comes i'll reserve judgement.
     
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    They don't just play retail movies, you can fill them with porn and biscuits and porn pictures and porn soundtracks or even divx porn so if it can't play these types of porn from day one and a consumer version may be available then it is a lie.

    On the serious side though if they have told us that the PS3 will read beyond two layers which they have and now they tell us it cannot read three-four layer discs then it doesn't matter if a movie can be played or not.. they lied case closed.

    Anyway i do agree some judgement needs to be withheld they are planning a consumer level product but until that happens to affect everyone this is pointless, There is more point in telling the BDA that if developers do not start filling 50GB discs to the brim every time and movies are not going to look better. Don't force us to upgrade for a very considerable amount of time.. people are still adopting and they'll just have a flop on their hands.. we won't be ready to buy new players, burners, readers, consoles and TVs.. we're not all AV nuts and we do have budgets.
     
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    Wasnt future blu ray playback turned off if you did not update to the current fw that removed OTHER OS?

    But that would make retail blu ray disks not work on the ps3. :cool:
     
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    How much does a 50 pack of these 100 gb RW blu ray disks cost? has the BDA said yet?
    I have a feeling its gonna be a little more pricey than the old blue ray.

    Its likely to be very expensive just like blu ray disks where when they came out.
     
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    I know they're not that expensive but going up to 50gb is more pricey.
    BTW traxdata suuuuuuuuucccccccccccckkkkkkkkkk that's why they are cheap.

    Anyway 5x 50gb £27.99 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/5-Verbatim-bl...erComponents_BlankCDsDVDs&hash=item2eab9710d1
    Verbatim 25x 50GB £209.99 tub http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Verbatim-BD-R...erComponents_BlankCDsDVDs&hash=item3eff40f9a8

    About £8.50 for a verbatim disc that's not too bad. £5.50 for a mitsubishi disc is a great deal.

    For 25x Verbatim Dual Layers they'll go for £20 a tub depending where you get them.. five discs or twenty five.. i know what id rather :)
     
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    those are 25gb discs. most ten packs in ths US at least that I have seen are about $25 for a ten pack. I can get a 2tb drive these days for about a hundred bucks. less if i watch around.a deals website posted a deal for like $80 for a 2tb drive a week or two ago. its about relative cost compared to hard drives. even with the protective coating of blu-ray i would say its more prone to damage than a hard drive. not only that most people doing backup stuff don't want stacks of discs when they can have a couple large hard drives instead.

    lets all agree that backing up with dvd's or blu-rays is obsolete given the prices of hard drives and hard drives keep getting cheaper.

    and i was trying to say that these new discs from blu-ray aren't going to be cheap. they won't have the market penetration of standard blu-ray for one which will mean less production which means higher cost on top of already being expensive.
     
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    But thats still pricey. Outside of reg. shoppers spending for disks. You can spend about $25.00 for verb 20x DVD-DL or you can get a cheaper brand for nest to nothing.
    Thats more than enough space to hold crap.

    Buut you rlink is ebay... think what 25x 100GB tub would be retail. :eek:
     
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    If you don't update then you lose the feature at your own volition, everyone else gets it.
     
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    Obsolete??? This new blu ray disk won't even be available for 3-5 years. Then, when it comes out, it will be too expensive to even consider for another 2-4 years. I heard about blu ray research in 2003. It's 2010 and it's just now getting cheap enough to use. If blu ray becomes obsolete (and obviously it will,) this won't happen for 5-10 years. Meanwhile, BR is going to gain an incredible foothold on the market. This story is going in the wrong direction. It should be a story about incredible innovations and not "how to make a PS3 obsolete."
     

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