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Bulletstorm dev: PS3Other OS removal is just an excuse for PS3 hackers

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    Pfttt......Adrian just sold his life to Sony. :cool:

    and I sold my life to LG (oohhhhhhhh my sexy LG Brand new LED Screennnn)
     
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    Hey Bulletstorm dev,

    go kiss my ass, and go learn 'proper English' too - if people from other parts of Europe can do it, so can people from Poland - especially when you're representing a company.

    Harhar. Nice one. Pretty soon the 'child pornography' will be trotted out too going by the way these tired lame arguments are progressing.

    BTW, this thing about ruining families - not everybody is too hung up on Pentagon war porn shooters the likes of Bulletstorm - I find it to be seriously degrading filth what you are putting out - I'd much rather play a cutesy '90s Japanese game meant for SNES/Genesis than the kind of garbage FPSes that are being churned out these days. How is that stuff not 'ruining families' - essentially, you're training these kids that, hey, here is some desensitized 'war porn', look how fun it is, and hey, when you grow up and become 18, perhaps you can go join the army and have some 'real fun'. I mean, let's not forget the US military being involved with Full Spectrum Warrior and other games - this is the reality of the situation. Even Metal Gear Solid 4 commented on these 'war porn' FPS games in reference to the PMCs and recruitment.

    One thing is for sure - games like Chrono Trigger and Super Metroid - those games are responsible for me getting into gaming. If all I had to choose from at 11 years of age would have been brown dumb FPS #300 and brown dumb FPS #400, I would have never persevered with this hobby in the first place (perhaps that would have been a blessing in disguise as well).
     
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    This idiot does realise that it wasn't until it was removed that Game OS hacks appeared? In fact it wasn't until OOS was removed that I considered hacking my console when they appeared.

    If they had kept OOS in, the console would either be as insecure as ever but not hacked or at the very least kept to just the dongle which was soon patched.

    Also, online cheating has happened before even without OS hacks like save hacks, etc.

    Although I do think online cheating is wrong, the guy can still go **** himself abou the hacking comments and if he can't accept that consoles get hacked eventually, he's in the wrong business.

    Also, how do hackers affect their families? Unless he means piracy which is arguable.
     
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    I would like him to explain why NO ONE hacked the ps3 until $ony removed OS?
     
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    Damn you guys are retarded. Do you remember why they removed Other OS? Because it was needed to perform original Geohot Hack. They removed it because of hacking. Trying to convince yourself that all the hacking is because of Other OS removal is just pathetic. No one hacked PS3 before because no hacks were available but attempts to hack PS3 date back to day 1. Get your facts straight - hacking predated Other OS removal.
     
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    get your facts strait geohot hacked linux,not the gameos he didnt feel the need to fiddle with that.
    it would have given full graphix support on linux,that was all.
    gameos would have been left alone.
     
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    Actually, they removed it because IBM was bitching at them that the PS3 was making their overpriced blade servers useless, the same IBM that supplies the cell CPUs for their system, and Sony wanted to save money.

    The hacking thing was nothing more than a convinent excuse for Sony to pull the plug on Linux support.

    And PS3 hacking never went anywhere until AFTER Sony pissed off the hackers by removing OtherOS, Geohot's hack was all but completely useless for anything other than fiddling around with some extra stuff in linux.

    The current hacks on the PS3 don't use OtherOS in any way, shape, or form, so removing it did jack all in protecting the PS3. The PS3 was rated as the least secure console ever, their whole non-random seed thing is one of the most epic blunders in security in the history of computer security, yet, this "epic fail" of a security was not discovered until AFTER Sony removed OtherOS. They obtained the goddamn PRIVATE KEYS with it (and are permanently able to obtain public keys now), something that is near unprecedented in terms of security hacking!

    Yet, this despite this unbelievably pathetic and broken security, the PS3 was the last console to get hacked, it was also the only console to have Linux support, it was ALSO hacked to hell and back less than a year after OtherOS was removed.

    Put two and two together. :cool:
     
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    Wow, what an idiot.
     
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    Get ready for Anonymous hackers team attack to bulletstrom site. :p:D:D:D:D
     
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    You know what I love about this? you're calling others retarded... all the while looking even more retarded than you're accusing others of being retarded.

    As was explained the "original geohot hack" was to put in simply USELESS for anything that would have hurt sony. It was unreliable, difficult to implement, but most importantly it was not meant to affect gameos in anyway.

    As far as attempts to hack the ps3, you gotta look at exactly WHO was trying to hack it. You never heard of any high-profile hackers trying to hack it until after OOS. Maybe Math (which some would argue isn't a great dev... or a dev at all, I disagree though), but we all know that even if he would have been successful from day 1, the pirates would have received no love from him.

    On to the complete an utter inane-ness of the devs comments.

    1) Hurt families... assuming he means piracy, I've yet to see a good game not sell great. If a dev's family goes hungry, than rather than piracy I would blame a steady stream of crap games. It's arguable that it cuts into their profits, but from what I've seen in years of gaming piracy is the least of devs/publishers problems.

    2) Online cheating... happened before the hacks, and also anybody who can come up with the initial hack for the ps3 is most definitely NOT interested in cheating. I'd even accept they attempted it to pirate games before I entertain the thought that they would take up such an endevour to show their leet-ness by cheating on the psn... oh and lastly, cheating the biggest concern???? LOL!. That said, cheaters deserved to be hanged by the nuts.

    3) A kid can ruin their lives... no sorry, SONY can ruin your lives. What other company would act as sony did over the actions of one kid? They really played into geohots hands if you think about it. Like him or not, we all agree he likes attention, so instead of just quitely patching it and ignoring the guys plea for attention what do they do? They make a circus out of the whole ordeal. Ordeal that may I point out is not only normal, but basically a given to happen to every console.

    4) Hackers need an excuse to hack... Oh really? I thought the excuse was the hacking in and of itself.
     
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    Greenhammer lol ur jokes
     
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    I have a problem with this ignorant & biased statement:

    The monopolistic corporations divulge false information about security, when in fact they wish to retain the processing power for their expensive servers and NOT give people the ability to use it in-house, which was possible with OtherOS.
    Guess if you read up on the OtherOS removal you would see Sony themselves pulled it due to cost - not security. It made them no money when people bought the unit for ONLY OtherOS features. They weren't happy with that, and wanted to exploit their users for more unnecessary expenditures. The hacking of the PS3 relates NOT to anything to do with OtherOS its removal, or inclusion in ANY firmware. the PS3 was hacked by itself, after the option to run linux on it was removed by sony.

    So in a sense, one could say that Sony single-handedly destroyed small companies and corporations by removing an advertised feature that actually had NO issues regarding security, and devalued those peoples hardware.
    Sony are the evil ones here, not the average joe who wants to use his hardware he purchased as it was advertised to work.

    If sony don't want to put the feature back in themselves, hackers can do it, at what other price is not of their concern.
    Despite what people think, OtherOS was not the driving factor here - Homebrew somewhat, but the PS3 Slim unit without OtherOS feature I think is what really got the hacking community determined to run it on sonys 'revised' hardware they said it wasn't possible to do with.

    I mean developers aren't tied to a specific development unit. If you think hackers are destroying your livlihood then stop developing for the system... For some reason though I believe even though the system is hacked its still worth wile to do.
     
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    Why give them an excuse then? Stupid. Excuse = reason. It's not always a dismissible reason just because you used the word "excuse" instead. If they hacked without reason, then he might have a point.

    Also, cheating is about the LAST reason any consoles were ever hacked. You think Bung products for the SNES, GB(C), N64, etc were for their offline "cheat functions?" :rolleyes: You think modchips and homebrew on the PSX was for the same reason? Puh-leeze.
     
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    Ruin 100 families? Please!

    Sorry, I REALLY doubt that even if all of the 4% of the gaming population that hacked their consoles pirated all their games; that the small percentage of console game pirates are going to do any lasting effects on a publishing company!

    Good games sell, poor games blame their lack of sales on piracy. I hate piracy and I don't do it for moral reasons, but seriously, the piracy argument is getting very old.
     
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    Um then explain the "knee jerk reaction" sony took when geohot mentioned how he used OtherOS to access some kernel level. He was on the news about that first, then sony did what they did
     
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    4%??? Dude, it's more like 1%, or 2% MAXIMUM. The Wii was hacked from day 1 (almost) yet made insane amounts of money. Same for DS. Same for the 360.
     
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    That proves my point even further. I was using an old estimated figure for the PSP, which was hacked beyond belief. Even worse, of the 4% (or 1-2%) how many of those actually pirate? They are possibly losing .5-1% in "pirated" games, nothing to get too excited over. The entire piracy argument is completely flawed and especially not true in console gaming where very few titles are severely affected.
     
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    For sure hackers used OtherOs as an excusse to hack. Egohotz used Otheros feature to hack the PS3 which had resulted iin sony removing the feature on the fata models through a firmware update. You can chose to update the firmware and that is entirely up to you, no one is forcing you to update the firmware.

    Finally someone in the development industry have to guts to speak out.
     
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    Despite the silly comments from Adrian, Bulletstorm was a really fun game, well worth the money I spent on it.

    If you like a particular game developer, support them. Especially new innovative game studios.

    I'm certainly buying the next Bulletstorm from "People can Fly" and Gears of War 3 is a given.

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    @squarepusher2: Lets see you learn proper Polish, or any Polish at all. Just love it when people get all cocky when they see a typo or a little bit of bad grammer. What's funny is that person with the improper English is usually smarter because they took the effort to learn a language other than their native tongue. :rolleyes: Knowing just "proper" English doesn't make you smarter. Even funnier is that some foreigners have better proper English skills than some of the imbread Anglos, despite their accents.
     
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