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Persona 5 emulator targeted by Atlus DMCA takedown notice

Discussion in 'Underground PlayStation Scene' started by GaryOPA, Sep 28, 2017.

By GaryOPA on Sep 28, 2017 at 12:45 AM
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    Atlus: "it isn’t the emulator itself we object to, it is the use of Persona 5... that we took issue with".

    We have reported on the amazing progress of the RPCS3 Emulator before on MaxConsole, but sadly the development team posting videos of their PS3 Emulator playing 'Persona 5' has opened up a can of worms, with Altus USA taking the DMCA Takedown legal route to stop them promoting the fact their emulator can play their game, because one reason it is not perfect and still has 'framedrops' and other issues, making the experience worse than on actual PlayStation 3 hardware, but this is not the first time an emulator has come under fire, the most famous case was Sony vs. Bleem, when they developed an emulator to play PS1 games perfectly on the Dreamcast.
    The above is alot of reading, but its worth reporting in full to understand all the legal scene drama that is going on, afterwards we love to hear your thoughts and comments regarding this, and do you think that RPCS3 will be able to recover from this whole legal mess.

    NEWS SOURCE: Persona 5 emulator targeted by Atlus DMCA takedown notice (via) PCGamer
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Discussion in 'Underground PlayStation Scene' started by GaryOPA, Sep 28, 2017.

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      AlbedoAtoned Loyal Member

      Jul 13, 2011
      This dmca request is misunderstood at best, disingenous at worst. I'm leaning towards the latter because their own words damn them. They say "The PS3 emulator itself is not infringing on our copyrights and trademarks," And yet they chose to go after RPCS3. the very thing they admit is not what is infringing on their copyright or trademark.

      The reality is that yes, you can play Persona 5 for free in RPCS3. And this line here: "and potentially made available for free," suggests that piracy is their main concern. However, you can pirate the game just as easily, if not moreso on the ps3. It would be quite comical if Atlus had sent a dmca request to Sony, since their devices can be used to circumvent Atlus's DRM and play their games for free as well. They won't of course, since that would be stupid, especially since users are encouraged to buy their games. But that is something Atlus is choosing to ignore with RPCS3. At most, there were instructions on how to get the game from your disc or PSN version. But that's the thing, they weren't giving you sources on where to pirate, but how to get it from your legally bought disc or PSN version. But ultimately, if they truly cared about piracy they would not have released it on the ps3 in the first place, because again due to how easy it is to play pirated games, and since most of the pirated copies tend to come from somebody's ps3, this is something that Atlus should have taken into consideration. I can sympathize with them wanting their game to actually sell, but they just made themselves a bully. I can think of no better way to destroy whatever sales you may have in the near future than by alienating your audience.

      And that's the crux of the problem. Atlus knows that these people are their audience, but they absolutely refuse to cater to them This line here says it all: "however, no version of the P5 game should be playable on this platform; and [the RPCS3] developers are infringing on our IP by making such games playable”. They've made it clear, they don't want PC gamers to play this game on their PC's they want them to buy a PS3 or PS4. Ironically, many of said people they are alienating already have one, they just want to play their games how they want to. Atlus is so self-assured that the PS3 or PS4 version is the best way to play it, but anybody who's actually played both of those consoles and PC would tell you that they are not. WIth PC, you can take games to new heights. People are already running Breath of the Wild at 4k and 60fps, less than a year after release. Console exclusive devs have for years treated PC gamers simultaneously like we're not part of their target audience and then at the same time treating us like pirates for emulating their games on PC as if piracy was the only goal, meanwhile piracy runs rampant on console and nobody bats an eye. Somehow, somebody wanting to play BOTW in Cemu is a pirate despite being able to install a pirated version of the game on a stock wii u on the newest firmware. Generally, if piracy is the goal, you're more likely to be able to pirate far more games by having the console, especially in cases such as the ps3, and especially if you can get it with cfw or an odde. And again the whole thing ends up being circular, where they don't want to cater to PC gamers, so they force them to get a console if they want to play that game and then these pc gamers become invisible as far as pc gaming goes. Atlus and the rest can pretend that their market is on consoles, despite how many pc gamers would actually want to play these games on their PC's instead of a console.

      But the thing that gets me is that what it seems Atlus wants is for RPCS3 to not be able to play Persona 5. They say that the software itself doesn't infringe on their IP, so ideally they must want it to not be able to play it. Somehow in the course of making the emulator better and better, is there supposed to be some sort of lock on this specific game? You mount any other game and it work, but mount P5 and nope, Atlus said no. If that would work, why wouldn't other companies try that? I'll tell you why, because they know that they would actually lose if taken to court. Emulators are perfectly legal and at most the user may be liable if they broke DRM to access the game. But RPCS3 doesn't do that. Meaning there would be no case against them.

      Ironically, if piracy was what they wanted to reduce or eliminate, they did such a shit job because I bet many hearing this likely have decided to either not buy any more Atlus games, or to pirate them. Play P5 on the ps3 or PS4, they say, but then people just end up playing them on their hacked ps3's or ps4's out of spite, lot of good that did Atlus.

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